How to properly create a withholding Exemption Certificate

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
Or use a W8 or variant thereof.

[ThomPaine]

I wont go as far as Jetgraphics, however I agree with his premise. You cant be kinda pregnant. You are either pregnant or you arent, there is no middle ground.

That said, if you are an employee and you supply your employer with a substitute for a W4 or any other form and claim that you are not earning taxable income, you better have your kit together and be prepared to explain how and why to the IRS, the employer, USTC and anyone who comes calling.

I cant make the judgement whether that is taxable income or not, that is upto each man or person to research and make a decision whether to report, file, etc.

A substitute form is not a get out of jail free card and must be accompanied by plenty of study and knowledge to back it all up..

Thom

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

JG: They had better thank the fools who submitted said document. It's fraud, and an open invitation to a future weenie roast - in Tax court.
Sigh.
Reasoning: Only account holders, duly enumerated, are "persons liable" for the "income tax" derived from the Social Security Act of 1935, which imposes an "income tax" on WAGES.
In addition, as "contributors" (FICA), they are equally liable to pay the impossible national debt. Thus making worthless notes (FRNs) into LEGAL TENDER. Obligated parties can never object to the tender of their own notes. Ergo, their wages, paid in worthless notes, of no par value, rise to the face value.
And if they have an open, interest bearing account with a bank *(usurers), they have signed an agreement to provide an annual financial statement in the form the bank requests.
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/130516-post49.html
And as we all should know, the U.S. governor of the World Bank, IMF, etc, etc, is the Secretary of Treasury, who shall not be paid by the U.S. government (see Title 22 USC Sec 286a, et seq)

22 USC Sec. 286a Appointments
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint a governor of the Fund who shall also serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the Bank. ...
(d) Compensation for services (1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other compensation from the United States for services as a Governor, executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
(2) The United States executive director of the Fund shall not be compensated by the Fund at a rate in excess of the rate ...

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994 edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S. Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the African Development Bank."
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE "BANK"?
The Secretary of Treasury, who shall not be paid by the U.S. government.
Other "small points"
Perjury jurat is limited to those who are IN government.
An address (domestic to the United States) is claimed.
Residency is claimed.

You have case law to back this theory of yours up?
Because I have a thank you letter and 2 zeroed out accounts from Revenue Office plus an endorsement from a corporate attorney that the presentment is true and correct.

[CitaDeL]

Admittedly I am inherently ignorant on the subject-My prior employer withheld nothing as I filed no W-4 and indicated there would be no withholding... but I am recently re-employed, having not filed a W-4 under the impression that signing their document would be an admission of liability for tax- now I am being dinged by the new employer for withholding as a 'single-zero'.

I'd like some guidance and education so that 30% of what is mine isnt needlessly taken from me.

How many are filing 'exempt'? How long has this been effective? Are there any legal resources on this subject that are not based on heresay or unverifiable anecdotes?

[Looking for Freedom]

I saw one case where the courts held an employer liable when they where withholding from an employees check without consent (no w-4). The employer was acting by what the IRS told them and was taken to court by the employee.

I tried looking for some case law and didn't find any (I googled, thats it) But I have seem it before.

I am sure other ppl have seem it and know what case I am talkin about.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
The reason the W4 filled out that way would work might be because of the address. However, a W8 or variation thereof makes a lot more sense. Or a kind of W4/W8 combination.

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Without Prejudice.
The reason the W4 filled out that way would work might be because of the address. However, a W8 or variation thereof makes a lot more sense. Or a kind of W4/W8 combination.

And you have proof that this works?

I once used a modified W8 from a website that had removed some of the wording from the w-8 and put
their own. When I had federal charges breathing down
my neck found out that it would had been ok to do
a strike through of the Revenue offices wording and then
add my own. But the fraud charges were of counterfeiting government documents.
I was very very lucky to have had enough legal knowledge to stop any court action before it went further.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by jeagas68

And you have proof that this works?

I once used a modified W8 from a website that had removed some of the wording from the w-8 and put
their own. When I had federal charges breathing down
my neck found out that it would had been ok to do
a strike through of the Revenue offices wording and then
add my own. But the fraud charges were of counterfeiting government documents.
I was very very lucky to have had enough legal knowledge to stop any court action before it went further.

Without Prejudice.
If you search for W8 BROKERAGE .. you will likely find that many brokerages provide modified versions of W8s. Its very common. Sounds like someone was bluffing you. However, if in doubt, remove the US Treasury or IRS seals from the document if you modify it substantially.

With a W8, W8s arent presented to the IRS they are per United States Treasury Reguations and/or Internatonal Revenue Code to be held and kept by the person you present it to. [Read the instructions.]

I personally wouldn't touch a W4.

[Shoonra]

Somebody is misreading 22 USC 286a.

The US Secretary of the Treasury is not paid by the federal govt for his participation in the World Bank Group. If he's paid at all for that, he's paid by the World Bank.
But the Secretary does get his regular federal paycheck for the usual Secretary of Treasury work. Fortunately altho the US Sec. of Treasury is usually the president of the Board of Governors of the World Bank, the responsibilities do not weigh too heavily on him, as the Board meets only about once a year. The real work is done by the directos from the various member countries.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Insist on a 1099- when the W9 form is made, put "secure transaction/gross-excluded by law" for reason/acct number.

thats my way, your mileage may vary.