George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, cohersion of the American People.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by jeagas68

Somehow I missed the mandatory policy of membership in this group that the form of discussion must be consistent with the topic. If this is a fact of policy maybe you can tell me what brand of computer we must be using or if we can be fined for sitting in our underwear while typing.

Seems one of us is not really interested in sovereignty and is using the wrong website, Hek they may even have the wrong username and should probably change it.

Why not address the decencies of your post instead of spewing more immaterial nonsense? Oh, you can't? Understood.

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by FreeFromContract

Why not address the decencies of your post instead of spewing more immaterial nonsense? Oh, you can't? Understood.

Yeah that is a pretty decent post exposing some facts, thank you.
For anyone that knows anything about the history forming the Declaration of Independence and who was the first President elected under the newly formed Corporation or re-formed Corporation should know how this all ties in without even saying, so I guess nobody is saying anything because they understand it an how it applies. If anyone else can show proof how it does not apply to anything those founders have done, let that man or woman come forward and speak about this immaterial nonsense.

I get tax accounts zeroed out and garnishments on wages released, please tell me how this shows I do not understand?

[FreeFromContract]

Since you don't see any problems with your post, this should get you started:

Originally Posted by jeagas68

How history ties in to what we know now. Read this and see if your discernment changes about these two supposedly great founding fathers:

Question 1: How does it tie in given the facts concerning Washington and Jefferson? (Well look at that, the above isn't part of the title either.)

Originally Posted by jeagas68

All the Bill of Rights and the Constitution did was create a Charter for the Corporation. We already had a government in place under the Articles of Confederation with a Congress, but they allowed the corporation to be created and we let them do it for we the sovereign independent nations in the confederation did not know any better since it was mostly done behind closed doors.

Question 2: (As previously asked in post 19) In convening the Convention at Philadelphia, what was defective, according to the process, procedure and powers as granted in the Articles of Confederation, which the Constitution replaced?

Originally Posted by jeagas68

What started this research is learning that there was a few founding fathers that absolutely refused to sign the Constitution, I wanted to know why and their reasoning for it. What we did not know and what they knew is that these plans for an incorporation had been planned out all along in which they gave us many warnings to avoid carefully.

(There's that reference to the founding fathers again.)

Question 3: These names of the men who didn't sign the Constitution who signed the Articles of Confederation are?

Question 4: What is the source documentation giving an account that those who didn't sign the Constitution knew of the secret plans of incorporation?

Question 5: What is the source documentation giving an account that those who did sign the Constitution devised the secret plans of incorporation?

One of the people who did not sign the Constitution, who, according to your well grounded research and quality analysis, are the ones who knew about these secret plans, is Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.archives.gov/education/le...y/signers.html

But of course, this has nothing to do with either the content of your post or it's title.

So you claim to be zeroing out tax account and getting garnishments released; Great! But it does nothing to boost your claims when you make posts which are clearly inaccurate. If you take that as a personal attack (and from your first response, it appears that's exactly how you took it), so be it.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger
If you do not believe in universal sufferage, who would you include? Who would you exclude? What criteria would be used for evaluation?

Exclude everyone. End suffering everywhere. No more Allowance.

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

Exclude everyone. End suffering everywhere. No more Allowance.

Nice catch.

I'm starting to become more and more conscious of these High Masonic jokes that have made their way everywhere into our language.

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by FreeFromContract

Since you don't see any problems with your post, this should get you started:

Question 1: How does it tie in given the facts concerning Washington and Jefferson? (Well look at that, the above isn't part of the title either.)

Question 2: (As previously asked in post 19) In convening the Convention at Philadelphia, what was defective, according to the process, procedure and powers as granted in the Articles of Confederation, which the Constitution replaced?

(There's that reference to the founding fathers again.)

Question 3: These names of the men who didn't sign the Constitution who signed the Articles of Confederation are?

Question 4: What is the source documentation giving an account that those who didn't sign the Constitution knew of the secret plans of incorporation?

Question 5: What is the source documentation giving an account that those who did sign the Constitution devised the secret plans of incorporation?

One of the people who did not sign the Constitution, who, according to your well grounded research and quality analysis, are the ones who knew about these secret plans, is Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.archives.gov/education/le...y/signers.html

But of course, this has nothing to do with either the content of your post or it's title.

So you claim to be zeroing out tax account and getting garnishments released; Great! But it does nothing to boost your claims when you make posts which are clearly inaccurate. If you take that as a personal attack (and from your first response, it appears that's exactly how you took it), so be it.

Sorry, your approach reminds me of a couple other people in other e-groups that like to ask questions about every little detail more then doing their own research, needless to say that did not sit right with me and I chose to end the discussion.
Some have their own conclusions about these kinds of people, but I cannot speak for a majority of folks on this thread, I will let them speak for themselves.

Q1: See posts #4 and #5

Q2: Read the Articles 8 - 12, then 10 3 more times then it might start to sink in, it did not for me the first time either.

Q3: Mainly Patrick Henry, George

Q4: George Washington was a Free Mason after the illuminati had stepped in to run the show.
- Treaty of Paris
- The fact that I have verified with military personnel horizontal stripes on a flag means a time of war, well.. how long have we had horizontal stripes.. wake up america.

Q5: Benjamin Franklin not only was a signer in the Treaty of Paris, but also played both sides of the ball field traveling back an forth many times holding a political position in england as well.

There is over 500 years of this mess to go through, so worrying about minor innacuracies that cannot be proven is very counter productive. Anyway I am way pass this part of history, right now here an there studying links between the egyptians and the myans.

[netwrkranger]

Farmer Giles of Ham wrote:

Exclude everyone. End suffering everywhere. No more Allowance.

=D

As far as George Washington, he was definitely an elitist. Thomas Jefferson was much cooler than Washington toward the common man.

- K

[Livefire]

Originally Posted by psholtz

I haven't thought about it.

The property qualification isn't bad.

I'd rather like to start enforcing again, if only b/c it would disqualify about 99.999% of the American electorate from participating in elections, owing to the fact that they don't "own" their property: they are merely renting from the King; either in the form of a mortgage, or at best in the form of ad valorem taxes due semi-annually on their piece of the King's estate (i.e., real estate, from the French/Spanish "royal" estate).

If 99.999% of the American electorate were suddenly barred from what they've been conditioned to believe is their Holy Grail of freedom: voting once every four years for the lesser of two evils, then they might suddenly catch a cluebrick as to what's wrong w/ the nation and do something about it.

But the gremlins in Washington are more clever than that.

Better to trick the slaves into thinking and believing that they're "free"..


Again, like I said in my quote above, I don't necessarily equate democracy or voting w/ freedom.

I equate freedom w/ an understanding of and obedience to God's Divine Law. The "royal law" (James 2:8) or the "law of liberty" (James 2:12) so to speak. Out of this flows the capacity to reign over and control the termites (otherwise known as government bureau-rats) that would otherwise be the proximate cause of any curtailment to your liberty that you might experience.

Christians reign upon this Earth as Kings (1 Peter 2:4-9), and the only Sovereign or Power to which we must answer is the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords. Democracy slowly starts to seem like it's off point and out of context, when you start to look at the world more in that light.

The Communist nations during the Cold War were extremely, extremely keen on forcing their populations to "vote" at every election. It was required by law. If you failed to vote, you'd wind up in prison. It happened to members of my family; the prison part, that is.. (some branches of my family descend from Eastern Europe).

Did that mean anything?

Did they have freedom?

Democracy is indispensible to Communism, remember, so said Lenin.

You've been raised in a Communist nation (the United States), and so have I, and we've been indoctrinated to believe that "democracy" is indispensibe to "freedom". Indeed, nothing can be further from the truth, and even people like James Madison understood this as can be gleaned from Federalist #10 and #14.

Are there "democracies" to be found in Scripture?

It IS a civil infraction not to vote in Australia! LOL

[weishaupt1776]

very cool thread topic, nice to see some stuff dealing with law, instead of arguments concerning debt-torneys or how to get a free car with a Bill of Exchange

[Levi Philos]

You'll need to create a user name and password to access these documents, but there are some good worth while items among the 113 documents:

http://www.scribd.com/people/view/697837

Here is a bunch more, however they are all scanned image documents which makes a book a pretty large download if you are on dial-up.

http://www.dayspringgatherings.org/

Which seems to be down right now, so check again in 2-3 days.

[edit to add another online resource; sort by title or author: http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...icxt&Itemid=27 ]

Levi Philos