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Old 04-30-2008, 09:19 PM
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Lightbulb George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, cohersion of the American People.

How history ties in to what we know now. Read this and see if your discernment changes about these two supposedly great founding fathers:

What I have found may surprise a couple of you an some may not believe it until they see it for themselves, I sent this information out to the masses and have had absolutely no response about it, people must be sleeping out there. If you can please comment on it I would appreciate it. just to let you know from this prospective communicating with these entities I have had nothing but positive results:

All the Bill of Rights and the Constitution did was create a Charter for the Corporation. We already had a government in place under the Articles of Confederation with a Congress, but they allowed the corporation to be created and we let them do it for we the sovereign independent nations in the confederation did not know any better since it was mostly done behind closed doors.
The Civil war in the 1800s had nothing to do with slavery as proven later by continued enslavement by mandated segregation of whites and blacks, that Civil war had everything to do with control of the land and the people in it, It was a "Hostile Corporate Takeover" or " Corporate Reorginization " whatever you want to call it that the south was fighting with the north over.
What started this research is learning that there was a few founding fathers that absolutely refused to sign the Constitution, I wanted to know why and their reasoning for it.
What we did not know and what they knew is that these plans for an incorporation had been planned out all along in which they gave us many warnings to avoid carefully. it was secretly known they could be shot or hung for speaking against it,
such people were also called terrorists. So be careful what you give your allegiance to.

Pay close attention to how it relates in the corresponding information below it.

Executive Offices of the United States Government
"The Committee of Nine Appointees/authorized agents calling the shots"

THE ORGANIC LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION 1778
Article X. The committee of the States, or any nine of them , shall be authorized to execute in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said committee, for the exercise of which, by the articles of confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled is requisite.

The following are results from Manta.com :

Executive Office Of The United States Government
1600 Pennsylvania Ave Nw, Washington, DC 20501-0001, United States
Phone: (202) 456-1414
SIC: Executive Offices
Line of Business: Executive Office/Development
Detailed Executive Office Of The United States Government Company Profile
This company profile is for the private company Executive Office Of The United States Government, headquarters located in Washington, DC. Executive Office Of The United States Government's line of business is executive office/development.
Company Profile: Executive Office Of The United States Government
Year Started:1787 ( Before the Reconstruction acts took place, how many times have we heard of corporations reorginizing? ) ** George Washington, elected that same year.
State of Incorporation: N/A
URL: www.udall.gov
Location Type: Headquarters
Parent Company: Government Of The United States
Contact Name: George W Bush ( Responsible Party )
Contact Title: President
Data above provided by D&B.

Morris K. Udall foundation
Who We Are
The Udall Foundation is an agency within the executive branch of the United States government. The President appoints nine members of its board of trustees, with the advice and consent of the U.S. Senate; the other four members serve by virtue of their positions within government.

[[ Corporation of London ]] The London Virginia Company became incorporated as a joint stock company by a royal charter drawn up on April 10, 1606. It swiftly financed the first permanent English settlement in the New World which was at Jamestown in the Virginia Colony in 1607. Its Second Charter was officially ratified on May 23, 1609 .
[[ All done behind closed doors ]]

United States Code

TITLE 5 - GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION AND EMPLOYEES
PART I - THE AGENCIES GENERALLY
CHAPTER 5 - ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE
SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE
(13) the term "Federal personnel" means officers and employees
of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed
services (including members of the Reserve Components),
individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement
benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the
United States (including survivor benefits).


IF YOU PLAY INTO THE TRAP OF THE MASTER CORPORATION (see USC Title 28, § 3002, sub para 15, under definitions) BY FILING FOR CORPORATE STATUS YOU CAN FORGET THE CONSTITUTION, YOU ARE NOW UNDER ROMAN CIVIAL LAW AND NOT THE ENGLISH COMMON LAW GARANTEED BY EVERY STATE CONSTITUTION AND THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION! This is exactly why the crooked courts will always attempt to spell you name in all capital letters, which in their eyes and the style manuals, changes you into a corporate entity when you sucker into answering to that fraud. Use a negative averment (see SCRCP and FRCP Rule 9(a) and Rule 8(d)) to see the power of the “effect of failure to deny”.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:17 PM
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Check out these posts on the subject...

POST 1

POST 2

POST 3

POST 4

POST 5

There are others, but I am more familiar with these.




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Old 05-01-2008, 05:52 AM
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Interesting thread...

From my general readings over the months, it is my understanding that the Founding Fathers violated their orders to adjust the Articles of Confederation by seeking to create a new form of government, a constitutional government. They were given explicit orders not to do this, but did it anyways.

One of the primary reasons for the convention was Shay's Rebellion. There was literally a war between creditors and debtors.

They convened their meetings under closed doors. The Hamiltonian faction of the convention were strong Federalist. There is reason to believe that Hamilton may have been an agent of the Rothschilds. Hamilton was also a proponent of centralized banking.

Most of the general populace at that time was against a strong centralized government. I'm sure there were other "methods" employed in order to get the Constitution ratified.

There also evidence that being that most of the Founding Fathers were Masons, merchants, slave-owners, landowners, and lawyers that they designed into the Constitution their own financial enrichment. There is also evidence that there were documents created during the convention that the participants did not want released until years later. The documents were given to George Washington to keep hidden.

I find it interesting that during this time, you could not become and elector to participate in voting unless you held property (state level). This pretty much ensured that only wealthy, Caucasian males could vote and only said males would be in control of the government, not that its any different today. To me, this has strong elements of feudalism (manorialism, seigneurialism) built right in.

Its time to go ranging =D. I'll dig up my docs and links for posting on this forum.

Very interesting subject indeed.

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Old 05-01-2008, 06:22 AM
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Swans Commentary: Founding Fathers' Forumla Fulfilled
http://www.swans.com/library/art9/pgreen26.html

Founding Fathers' Fraud
http://www.swans.com/library/art13/pgreen114.html

Bill of Rights Protects Property, not People
http://www.giantleap.org/envision/bill.htm

The Historians Perspective
http://www.historynow.org/09_2007/historian4.html

The Antifederalists: The Other Founders of the American Constitutional Tradition?
http://www.historynow.org/09_2007/historian6.html

How Did America's Founding Fathers Feel About Christmas?
http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/...hers-feel.html

Conspiracy and the Making of the Constitution
http://www.americanrevolution.org/grassman.html

The Anti-Federalist Papers
http://www.iahushua.com/hist/AntiFED.html

http://www.iahushua.com/WOI/conman.html

Disclaimer: The links provided above do not represent my complete agreement with all ideas presented, but are interesting for a contemplative perspective.

I may have more to dig up later....

As always Caveat Redmptor,
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:37 AM
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The Spirit of American Government


The opening attack against the founding fathers was launched in 1907 by J. Allen Smith in The Spirit of American Government: A Study of the Constitution. Smith claimed that it was not a forum of disinterested statesmen but "the property-owning class who framed and secured the adoption of the Constitution." This elite, made up of southern planters and northern merchants, he argued, had become greatly alarmed during the 1780's by the state legislatures passing laws in the interest of debtors instead of creditors. The country was largely in a state of depression after the Revolution, and in numerous instances the lower houses in state legislatures (elected annually by the people and responsible for initiating fiscal bills) had taken steps to relieve the distress of the common people. For example, stay laws were passed to prevent creditors from seizing the homes of those defaulting on their mortgages, and often paper money had been issued at an inflated value.

Source: http://www.americanrevolution.org/grassman.html

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:41 AM
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Check out these posts on the subject...

POST 1

POST 2

POST 3

POST 4

POST 5

There are others, but I am more familiar with these.
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These are all excellent postings, it ties into somewhat of what I have been teaching a local group here, it was all created by man for subjecting created franchises to the Corporate Body Politic.

If your a unfranchised man then your a true sovereign or if you believe in a power of a higher creator then you a child of the Providence, a foreign nation who cannot be forced into being a subjected PERSON in mans law unless you violated your creators law i.e. 10 commandments or in the eyes of being a sovereign have violated an International law of human rights through the Geneva Convention, in this latter case you may want to check out the Lieber Code.

Most of you were probably not old enough to have competence in consenting to the creation of a Birth Certificate, you were not a party to is so it must be canceled for fraud.

"History repeats and life emulates"
by; Silver Dollar

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:45 AM
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They convened their meetings under closed doors. The Hamiltonian faction of the convention were strong Federalist. There is reason to believe that Hamilton may have been an agent of the Rothschilds. Hamilton was also a proponent of centralized banking.
Yes, this is true.

In fact, the first central bank of the U.S., the Bank of North America, had already been chartered, run and crashed (i.e., had its charter revoked by the Pennsylvnia legislature) by the time of the Constitutional Convention in 1787. There is reason to believe that the "contract clause" in Article I, Sec 10 ("No State shall make any law impairing the obligation of contracts") was put in specifically so that States could never do this again: yank a charter on that kind of a corporation.

James Wilson - who later went on to be Supreme Court justice - is believed to have been the author of that contract clause. He probably got help from Gouverneur Morris, and to a lesser extent, Alexander Hamilton and George Clymer, all of whom (I believe) were shareholders in the (failed) first central bank of America.

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I find it interesting that during this time, you could not become and elector to participate in voting unless you held property (state level). This pretty much ensured that only wealthy, Caucasian males could vote and only said males would be in control of the government, not that its any different today. To me, this has strong aelements of feudalism (manorialism, seigneurialism) built right in.
True, but I don't know that I believe in universal suffrage.

It was Winston Churchill who said that the best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation w/ the average voter.

It was Vladimir Lenin who said that democracy is indispensible to socialism.

Freedom, to me, seems to lie more in a keen appreciation and understanding of the Law; first and foremost in the Law ordained by our Heavenly Father, and secondly the abomination called "law" imposed upon us (well, some of us) by the gremlins in Congress. I don't know that there's much "freedom" in paying your mortgage and taxes and "voting" once every four years for the lesser of two evils: that, to me, seems more like corporate feudalism.
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If your a unfranchised man then your a true sovereign or if you believe in a power of a higher creator then you a child of the Providence, a foreign nation who cannot be forced into being a subjected PERSON in mans law unless you violated your creators law i.e. 10 commandments or in the eyes of being a sovereign have violated an International law of human rights through the Geneva Convention, in this latter case you may want to check out the Lieber Code.

This sounds like George Gordon in part =D.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:57 AM
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True, but I don't know that I believe in universal suffrage.

It was Winston Churchill who said that the best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation w/ the average voter.

It was Vladimir Lenin who said that democracy is indispensible to socialism.

Freedom, to me, seems to lie more in a keen appreciation and understanding of the Law; first and foremost in the Law ordained by our Heavenly Father, and secondly the abomination called "law" imposed upon us (well, some of us) by the gremlins in Congress. I don't know that there's much "freedom" in paying your mortgage and taxes and "voting" once every four years for the lesser of two evils: that, to me, seems more like corporate feudalism.

If you do not believe in universal sufferage, who would you include? Who would you exclude? What criteria would be used for evaluation?

I feel if you exclude anyone, you are setting up the framework for tyranny.
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:05 AM
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This sounds like George Gordon in part =D.

I have been told this before, but this is from my own education. I did not even know who he was until about 2 weeks ago, but yet to get any of his materials for any study. Me finances are a little tied up right now trying to prepare for the coming summer crisis.
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