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Old 05-09-2008, 10:11 PM
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+1000 !

We have been critical of WTP for years
There has always been something about WTP that has rubbed me wrong.. never could put my finger on it, but there was something odd about their operation.

I've heard rumors that Bob Shultz is affiliated w/ David Rockefeller.. Not sure that's true, but.. it's hearsay that I've heard.
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:16 PM
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And I have been ripping...MRG,

That's what you think you have been doing?

You be's funny mayn!

You be makin' me have a good healthy laugh!

Thanks, I owe you now.

"Ripping...MRG" for what specifically?

Saying things you don't want to/have no capacity to think about?

What you be "Ripping...L.B. Bork for?

How you be "Ripping...L.B. Bork?

Where you be "Ripping...L.B. Bork?

I be missing that one, mayn.

Wha hoppin' wit lil' bubba mayn????

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Old 05-10-2008, 12:16 AM
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I was a big part of that mess for a while until I learned the truth about that organization, I was duped and learned a hard lesson. Had hosted a couple events here locally and then when he came through this town doing his nationwide broadcast an incident occurred and the results of my research on it blew my mind.

Found out that a mainstream broadcaster provided the equipment for the WTP broadcast, in the middle of the show I left for the restroom, on my wayback I met up with the CEO of that mainstream broadcaster who told me his name then when I went to get a soda I overheard a conversation between him and a local guy here associated with WTP talking about this mainstream broadcaster giving Shulz money specifically for doing the show an some other conversation that just did not sound right which lead me to believe this was not some donation they were giving him.
Later my research uncovered that this mainstream broadcaster was owned by a parent company controlled by a Senator. Also that the registrant application for the WTP Organization did not list a contact person or responsible party as normally they all do, which made me wonder who is really controlling WTP Orginization, Schulz has mentioned a handful of men who were huge donators several times but did not give any indication who they were or who they were with, now you got a little idea who they might be.

A PROPAGANDA MACHINE SETUP TO ENTERTAIN THE MASSES OF DUMBED DOWN CITIZENS!

Lets wake up here into conscious nus and realize that the U.S. Constitution is the modern day Golden Calf of our time, just look at the color of paper it is on for the most obvious reason among others.

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Old 05-10-2008, 12:53 AM
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And I have been ripping . . . L.B. Bork also.

You have posted no detailed verbal thrashing yet regarding his work.

I have seen no quotes of his work with your in law rebuttal

In fact, Michael Badnarik, who teaches the constitution around the union; will now be incorporating The red amendment into his teachings now

Michael travels w/o a license, unlike you Cody

You are pretty weak in that you still possess a license, and are afraid to go all the way with this

you post all of your "no jurisdiction" stuff, but still drive w/a license like the half breed freeman that you are

you might want to visit a new forum board:

noclue.com

until then, any subsequent posts devoid of rebuttal to LB's work is nothing but hot air from the hot air supply himself
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:06 AM
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Lets wake up here into conscious nus and realize that the U.S. Constitution is the modern day Golden Calf of our time, just look at the color of paper it is on for the most obvious reason among others.

'SD
Gee wiz, the Constitution is a document, not a "Golden Calf". It is a document to be read and understood as an expression of a people, not an object of worship. If the power of the people, granted to the government through the Constitution, is not working as promised; the people should consider changing government, based on the ideas (and not the color of the document) outlined in the Declaration of Independence.

Now, back to the topic at hand,

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Emphasis added.

Apparently, Shoonra supports the above view, the people shouldn't give up First Amendment protected rights to the RATS in government! I agree, we should all ignore unconstitutional decisions from corrupt courts!
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:35 AM
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Looking at the document appended to DiM's last message, I cringe to think that anyone would be conned into using it.

A "libel of review" is a process used ONLY in maritime cases, and if you look at a map you'll see that the Colorado courts are not likely to have built up a wealth of experience in maritime cases. It's significant that DiM will not provide, even though it would necessarily be a publicly available document, a copy that shows the real names and docket numbers of an actual case -- nor, for that matter, does he dare to show us the court's decision on his pleading. Despite his nice word processing, it's painfully obvious that he never learned the proper way to cite a court decision. And as for the details, a hodge-podge of inapposite and unhelpful quotations and assertions.


Quite flattering that Shoonra, wise and experienced an attorney as he is, cannot follow the Libel of Review. And maybe the newer readers/members here are not familiar with our history, Shoonra and I. So I will summarily kick Shoonra where it counts:

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A "libel of review" is a process used ONLY in maritime cases, and if you look at a map you'll see that the Colorado courts are not likely to have built up a wealth of experience in maritime cases.

See the attachment. And take a look at this account sweep that effected a suitor in Oregon - a rural pastor who for not being 501(C)(3) lost his life savings of $75K against a magical $1.5M that he somehow owed the IRS for not being tax exempt in his rural pastoring!

http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/Warrant1.gif
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/Warrant2.gif

Through courts of competent jurisdiction I was faxed the above warrant and contact information about this pastor, within 40 minutes of him getting it from his bank manager who demanded it from Denver by fax. By noon I hear, heads were rolling at the US Attorneys office for faxing that warrant...

Here is the Verified Statement of Right and warrant in context... Oh wait. This suitor may not have had people like Shoonra, Lawdog and Freebeme in mind when he told me to share his victory over the Internet. I think we were laughing at how his bank shut down his ATM card instructing him to come inside. He thought - "Oh my God; not again??" but got inside to find all his funds were returned to their accounts. The bank wanted him to sign a waiver of indemnity - so that he could never go after the bank for damages. After we got a laugh about that, the bank wrote letters of apology and covered all damages they caused by the seizures.

Now this suitor used a professional trustee named John. John was kind of like Shoonra - disbelieving that such obviously admiralty process could ever issue out of the Mile High City - Denver. He led his other 20 or so clients to attorneys like Shoonra. And after being examined carefully for what they owed in income taxes, they were "fairly" refunded all the stolen funds that they were deemed not to owe.

But then again, without me posting the Verified Statement of Right - which I by the way have posted here many times, you would have to believe me. So note that for all the while I have been posting and linking the Libel of Review, we have Shoonra's first direct commentary about it, in the wake of Lawdog's and Freebeme's blindly hateful rant about me? Interesting timing Shoonra! The readers should know that the entire document can be found with the search engine within two minutes here - but let's see if Shoonra will look around and produce it first, okay??


Regards,

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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:41 AM
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If it was a crime to be on a list compiled by somebody who went to jail I would have received a life sentence by now.

As long as we are willing to go to jail or die for our rights we will win because people like Shoonra are not willing to die to keep them from us. Shoonra is just trying to scare people. Don't fear the Wizard..
Like you, I am on this, and many other list related to tax resistance. Of course, I have already informed the government a$$-clowns I don't want to participate in their Confession Tax scam.
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Gee wiz, the Constitution is a document, not a "Golden Calf". It is a document to be read and understood as an expression of a people, not an object of worship. If the power of the people, granted to the government through the Constitution, is not working as promised; the people should consider changing government, based on the ideas (and not the color of the document) outlined in the Declaration of Independence.
courts!

If you understood the symbolism behind the symbolism you would know what I was talking about. The bible of today is full of it which is the only way to understand the last book called Revelations, in court we are asked to swear or affirm on this book, coincidence? .. I think not.

The U.S. Corporation registered in 1787, the same year GW was elected, then a year after that the Constitution was signed, now all of a sudden we are asked to register everything with government. The Federalist papers also confirm that the "Entitlement" of the document is named "The People", who uses entitlements? ... Corporations and franchises. Men and Women therefore tricked into believing that "The People" is the flesh and blood and it is clearly NOT.
People/Humans will do some crazy things if squeezed hard enough by such powers, even act as agent provocateurs in keeping the propaganda machine moving.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:38 AM
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If you understood the symbolism behind the symbolism you would know what I was talking about.
Whatever these symbols are the people didn't agree to give them power, or can you show otherwise?

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The bible of today is full of it which is the only way to understand the last book called Revelations, in court we are asked to swear or affirm on this book, coincidence? .. I think not.
I have been in court a few times, they haven't did anything with a Bible. Although they do ask one to swear or affirm.

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The U.S. Corporation registered in 1787, the same year GW was elected, then a year after that the Constitution was signed, now all of a sudden we are asked to register everything with government.
Perhaps we should resist, since the Constitution doesn't support this.

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The Federalist papers also confirm that the "Entitlement" of the document is named "The People", who uses entitlements? ... Corporations and franchises. Men and Women therefore tricked into believing that "The People" is the flesh and blood and it is clearly NOT.
People/Humans will do some crazy things if squeezed hard enough by such powers, even act as agent provocateurs in keeping the propaganda machine moving.
Only if you choose to read it this way, and agree with it. Otherwise, you, like myself, should resist such a outrageous view. It was never intended, by the people, that the people would be deprived of natural rights coming from the Creator.

Here's a little more info., just in case you missed the "memo":

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Why should anyone be forced to waive their forth and fifth Amendment protection by filling out a confession form for strictly personal business? Why shouldn't these protections stand above other taxing concerns, being that the Bill of Rights were from the people, and the provisions of the Constitution from their representatives.

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Old 05-10-2008, 09:14 AM
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Also that the registrant application for the WTP Organization did not list a contact person or responsible party as normally they all do, which made me wonder who is really controlling WTP Orginization, Schulz has mentioned a handful of men who were huge donators several times but did not give any indication who they were or who they were with, now you got a little idea who they might be.

A PROPAGANDA MACHINE SETUP TO ENTERTAIN THE MASSES OF DUMBED DOWN CITIZENS!
Yes, that always has been one of the odd things about WTP: they always seemed to be extremely well financed.

Far too well-financed, it would seem, to be "genuine"..

Thanks for the info.
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