Untax/Tax Books

[lodman]

Have read a number of untax and other books such as David Cay Johnston's Perfectly Legal and Yancey's Confessions of a Tax Collector. Has anyone had success with Vultures in Eagles' Clothing/How to Cook a Vulture by Lynn Meredith; The Tax Loophole, by Otto Skinner; Irwin Schiff's books or Boston T. Party's "Goodbye April 15th"? I used a recommendation from Lynn Meredith once in challenging a parking ticket with a request for a verified complaint or charging document. The local bureau wrote me an irate letter in resonse.

[KarenM]

Before you consider relying on Meredith or Schiff, consider where they both are today.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by KarenM

Before you consider relying on Meredith or Schiff, consider where they both are today.

KarenM speaks words of wisdom.

I think the word prudence comes to mind.

"Blessed is the man who has found wisdom, and the mortal who knows prudence. For it is better to traffic for her, than for treasures of gold and silver."

Many a people have been burned, following the advise given by patriots-for-hire; such as Meredith and Schiff.

If you are a man/woman who seeks wisdom and loves the truth. I would bend an ear towards Jerry Kirk--he's not for hire! That's the first clue that there might be substance in what he has to say/give.

"Freely you have received, freely give"

If you are not of that mind set; 'be happy', and do what your mortal masters (the rulers of evil and the dead) demand of you.



Peace

[hughgrxtion]

I've been trying to post a new message, but the private message spam is getting out of control. I've gotten 18 in the last 4 days.

[weishaupt1776]

Yup, those books should only be read for entertainment, but do not follow any of their procedures, lest you want THE IRS up your @$$.

Before you even think about challenging the income tax, you need to finance or convey your car/house, etc . . into a trusts/LLC's and get some "friendly" liens put on them

You need to do this BEFOREHAND

You WILL get liens put on you by the IRS, so plan on not using credit under your name, but with an LLC account

You need to STOP receiving mil at your house for any reason and rip the mailbox off of your lawn. Even the address numbers on your house

[netwrkranger]

George Gordon has great info on taxes, the IRS, and a joinder to these: the Social Security Number.

Check out his radio archives on Taxes and Social Security.

Regards,
netwrkranger

[International American]

Originally Posted by lodman

Have read a number of untax and other books such as David Cay Johnston's Perfectly Legal and Yancey's Confessions of a Tax Collector. Has anyone had success with Vultures in Eagles' Clothing/How to Cook a Vulture by Lynn Meredith; The Tax Loophole, by Otto Skinner; Irwin Schiff's books or Boston T. Party's "Goodbye April 15th"? I used a recommendation from Lynn Meredith once in challenging a parking ticket with a request for a verified complaint or charging document. The local bureau wrote me an irate letter in resonse.

Listen friend, there are people in this world who talk a lot and claim many things but often fall flat on their backsides and end up in jail. Now, there are so many "legal" ways to do things in such a way that you wouldn't have to pay any tax/es in the first place. Unlike others, I already KNOW and ACCEPT that we live in a fascist state! It makes no difference what the law truly says or what was written by the founding fathers, these sub-human chimpanzees who run or should I say rule our country are going to do as they please, it's as simple as that.

Now, the best thing u can do is try to achieve meaningful independence by doing what the rich elites do and that is to "OWN NOTHING, CONTROL EVERYTHING" as John D. Rockefeller once said. This way u will have real freedom, remember, they can't take away something that is not even your in the first place! Also, look at international options, try and externalize urself to the US as much as possible. No, I would not recommend giving up your US citizenship just yet, I would recommend people get dual citizenship of a good country far away with good privacy and banking laws and not under any US control or influence.

U need to start learning about international offshore corporations, LLC'c, trusts, foundations etc. These are excellent asset protection and privacy instruments one can use to live more freely. However, more importantly, these are outside US jurisdiction, US court judgments are worthless and not recognized in many foreign countries. If u can afford to travel around the world or have family and friends u can trust who are not US citizens than this too is a great bonus. U can find quite a lot of info just by googleing it. Also, please look around this forum and see the thousands of posts here by very intelligent people from all walks of life, while u will find some good info. about many legal issues, I have not found a single person here who has achieved complete freedom.

I personally think that while most of this stuff is fascinating and mostly true, it may not suitable for the "real world". Yes, u might get out of paying for speeding tickets and other minor things but u probably won't get out of the really big things like not paying taxes. Yes there are some people who have victories but they are few and far between, also they have the guts to go to jail for their beliefs and while I totally commend them for their bravery, I am afraid that's as far as I can go, coz I really don't want to go to jail or have any problems with the fascist gov. of this country. I'd rather just keep quite, act dumb and stay under the radar, so to speak... Also, I wouldn't want to give up some of the advantages of US citizenship either like not being able to do any banking or trading any stocks etc. Coz these are very important for any business person to have.

At the end of the day, what I am trying to say is that find some sensible and low risk ways to achieve ur aims as this way u will have a lot less hassle in life. Some of the sacrifices involved in achieving "freedom" or "state citizenship/nationality" may not be practical or desirable if it means that ur quality of life may be worse off than before... I have read many of the books that u mentioned, some of them had some great tips but nothing that could be implemented easily or without some sort of sacrifice. I even have the "Red Amendment" which is often publicized here but even the info offered in this book is not necessarily going to make ur life any better than it already is... After all, what are most of us after? I think most of us just want a good and easy life without any headaches and hassles, so that's what I recommend, use solutions which require the least amount of headaches and hassles, stay safe and most importantly stay under the radar, stay invisible!

OK, I think I have rambled on enough but I hope u get my point...

Regards,

IA

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I wholeheartedly agree with the above.

For me, 'legal technology' is a valuable addition to a wide range of knowledge. Too many talented and successful people in business and hi tech skills get steamrollered by the lawyers. 'overspecialization'

It also helps to develop the thought-process, which might have applications outside of 'only' law. Economics, finance, business models and legal strategy are very linked.

Originally Posted by internationalamerican

about many legal issues, I have not found a single person here who has achieved complete freedom.

and you wont, anywhere. Life's a road. But we learn from our failures as well as the successes. There is not really a standard out there, I think, that can ever measure "complete" anything. A lot of what is on this site or any other resource needs to be understood as strategy and tactics. Especially tactics- porcupine them off to easier targets.

The day is coming when all papers will be worthless, so its something to keep in mind. The next step from all this here is to integrate with hands on practical knowledge- agriculture, husbandry, building, communications, energy production, health issues, defense applications...

[International American]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

I wholeheartedly agree with the above.

For me, 'legal technology' is a valuable addition to a wide range of knowledge. Too many talented and successful people in business and hi tech skills get steamrollered by the lawyers. 'overspecialization'

It also helps to develop the thought-process, which might have applications outside of 'only' law. Economics, finance, business models and legal strategy are very linked.



and you wont, anywhere. Life's a road. But we learn from our failures as well as the successes. There is not really a standard out there, I think, that can ever measure "complete" anything. A lot of what is on this site or any other resource needs to be understood as strategy and tactics. Especially tactics- porcupine them off to easier targets.

The day is coming when all papers will be worthless, so its something to keep in mind. The next step from all this here is to integrate with hands on practical knowledge- agriculture, husbandry, building, communications, energy production, health issues, defense applications...

As usual, excellent post, couldn't agree more!

IA

[netwrkranger]

Dynamite posts, IA and farmer =D.

I am working on a private/public model of business where you keep your sovereign capacity and utilize some legal entity as one's face in commerce. This would possibly be similar to governments, the Crown, and the Vatican. There are other projects I am working on as well.

I'm torn philosophically and spiritually about doing this.