State taxes

goldphoenix · #1 02-20-2004, 04:56 PM

I've seen a lot of info about Federal Taxes. What about State taxes? Are there any legit State taxes? Comments?

Also, on this state tax form, I'm going to claim exempt. It asks to enter the year effective. Would that be my 18th bday? or would that be the year I moved here? or would it be one year ago?

It also asks if I'm a full time student. In a way I am. I'm always learning SOMETHING! (Sometimes slowly, but still learning) (smile) so I wonder if it would be against the law to say I am?

I think I'll follow the advice of the scholars here and include "without prejudice" by signature and ssn and maybe even "duress" initialed on the form somewhere.

How different are the state and federal taxes? I'd be grateful to hear any comparisons or opinions regarding this topic.

Peace,

goldphoenix

#2 02-20-2004, 07:39 PM

What state do you live?& The state tax people are more aggressive than the IRS, especially the state of California.&

An exempt W-4&might get&you a&$5,000 penalty charge, even if you write&TDC&or without prejudice&on it.&How are you going to defend yourself if you are charged that penalty?& The new law for frivolous tax forms is&$5,000 not $500.& An exempt W-4 is a FRIVOLOUS form.

Please, please, please KNOW what you are doing and WHY you are doing it before you do it!& Don't follow other people unless you know you are right.&Yes, there are people&who will help you if and/or when the time comes, but the state tax people are the worst to deal with.& I should know -- I hired an attorney to help me with my state tax issues and they ignored every letter he wrote.& THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE LAW SAYS.&

All I'm telling you is that you&must to be&PREPARED.

How will you defend yourself if they fine you the $5,000 and levy your pay?

James · #3 02-21-2004, 12:59 AM

Food for thought!
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$5,000 what? Do they state they would take payment in the proper conveyance of language “Federal Reserve-Notes?” No, they only use the symbol for no-silver ($). Hence, any “payment” demanded, in the form of taxation, fines, etc. to the corporate government could be made in wooden-nickels or grains of sand, etc. Hence, the corporate United States, State or government United States or State enforcing any “payment” for any alleged debt or debt in fact in other than money of account for its coffers, as it were, is an act of treason and an overthrow of the American form of government and of the American people, to wit: Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America states, “No State shall …make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts…”<o

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The body-politic “We the People” can, on the other hand, receive “Federal Reserve Notes” or Federal Reserve-Notes “without prejudice” and protect their rights by so doing. Thus, a reservation of rights and the “Doctrine of Estopple” is exercised inasmuch as “Federal Reserve Notes” are promissory notes and not payment; and few, if any, have gold and silver-Coin in order to pay a debt. <o

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The government-controlled-schools, however, do not teach the people to protect their rights but instead forcibly teach them to surrender their rights to the de facto government presently in control.<o

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The now defunct S with two slightly separated parallel-vertical-lines at or near the center of the S means, “silver-bar.” <o

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>>Please, please, please KNOW what you are doing and WHY you are doing it before you do it!<<<o

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Also, good advice for those still contributing to the “income tax.” <o

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>>I should know -- I hired an attorney to help me with my state tax issues and they ignored every letter he wrote.<<<o

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You hired an attorney? “Please, please, please KNOW what you are doing and WHY you are doing it before you do it!”<o

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>>How are you going to defend yourself if you are charged that penalty?<<<o

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Hopefully he/she will learn to be a belligerent claimant of their rights and not defend. For example, in US. vs. Johnson (76 Fed Supp. 538), “Federal District Court Judge” James Alger Fee ruled that, <o></o>
"The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor to the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one indifferent thereto. It is a fighting clause. It's benefits can be retained only by sustained combat. It cannot be claimed by attorney or solicitor. It is valid only when insisted upon by a belligerent claimant in person." McAlister vs. Henkel, 201 U.S. 90, 26 S.Ct. 385, 50 L. Ed. 671; Commonwealth vs. Shaw, 4 Cush. 594, 50 Am.Dec. 813; Orum vs. State, 38 Ohio App. 171, 175 N.E. 876. [Emphasis added]<o></o>

>>All I'm telling you is that you&must to be&PREPARED.<< 

I agree, just putting in my two-cents.

Nothing-personal JamesDean

#4 02-21-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Don’t you mean new statute, code, regulation, etc. instead of law?
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So&their&statutes, codes, and regulations are not laws?& They are not organic&law, but they are still laws. 
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$5,000 what? Do they state they would take payment in the proper conveyance of language “Federal Reserve-Notes?” No, they only use the symbol for no-silver ($). Hence, any “payment” demanded, in the form of taxation, fines, etc. to the corporate government could be made in wooden-nickels or grains of sand, etc. Hence, the corporate United States, State or government United States or State enforcing any “payment” for any alleged debt or debt in fact in other than money of account for its coffers, as it were, is an act of treason and an overthrow of the American form of government and of the American people, to wit: Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America states, “No State shall …make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts…”<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o

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The body-politic “We the People” can, on the other hand, receive “Federal Reserve Notes” or Federal Reserve-Notes “without prejudice” and protect their rights by so doing. Thus, a reservation of rights and the “Doctrine of Estopple” is exercised inasmuch as “Federal Reserve Notes” are promissory notes and not payment; and few, if any, have gold and silver-Coin in order to pay a debt. 
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Have you ever tried paying&with "wooden-nickles", or "grains of sand"?& I tried paying&with bunny turds once, but& wasn't as lucky as you. 
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The now defunct S with two slightly separated parallel-vertical-lines at or near the center of the S means, “silver-bar.” 
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The now defunct S with two slightly separated paralle-vertical lines at or near the center of the S is now ONE parallel vertical line.& The "two" lines used to represent silver and gold (real money), but what I have learned is that the single line now represents the value of the Federal Reserve Note. 
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Please tell me where you learnedthat two&separated lines&in the S mean&"silver-bar".& It makes sense, but only because of the&TWO lines. 
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>>I should know -- I hired an attorney to help me with my state tax issues and they ignored every letter he wrote.<<<o

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You hired an attorney? “Please, please, please KNOW what you are doing and WHY you are doing it before you do it!”
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I did know what I was doing when I did it and have no regrets.& 
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goldphoenix · #5 02-22-2004, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

What state do you live?& The state tax people are more aggressive than the IRS, especially the state of California.&

An exempt W-4&might get&you a&$5,000 penalty charge, even if you write&TDC&or without prejudice&on it.&How are you going to defend yourself if you are charged that penalty?& The new law for frivolous tax forms is&$5,000 not $500.& An exempt W-4 is a FRIVOLOUS form.

Please, please, please KNOW what you are doing and WHY you are doing it before you do it!& Don't follow other people unless you know you are right.&Yes, there are people&who will help you if and/or when the time comes, but the state tax people are the worst to deal with.& I should know -- I hired an attorney to help me with my state tax issues and they ignored every letter he wrote.& THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE LAW SAYS.&

All I'm telling you is that you&must to be&PREPARED.

How will you defend yourself if they fine you the $5,000 and levy your pay?

I am on the east coast. Thank you for pointing out to me the possible dangers of signing a W-4 exempt. If one does not sign the forms, then one is not within their jurisdiction are they?

#6 02-22-2004, 11:14 AM

"If one does not sign the forms, then one is not within their jurisdiction are they? "

If you don't sign the form your employer won't know what to do,&so they will talk to the IRS.& The&IRS will tell&your employer to&take taxes out anyway, as if you were claiming 0 exemptions.&

If you are going&to sign a W-4 "exempt" there is a lot you need to know before you do.

#7 02-22-2004, 11:24 AM

No I haven't&consider submitting it as an article&because I didn't know I had the option. In the meantime, I deleted it because of the space it took.& I will consider submitting it.&Thanks.

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Ice · #8 02-22-2004, 07:05 PM

Have you considered submitting this article as a story or for download??& It sure makes for&a long "post" in the forum.

Ice

goldphoenix · #9 02-22-2004, 09:26 PM

Please do submit it if you have time, JamesDean. I didn't really have time to digest it all. I would like to read it over a few times.

FlunkyNoMo · #10 02-23-2004, 12:56 PM

JamesDean- I didn't get a chance to even see what I missed.

James- Regarding the two vertical lines overlapping the S, I was told that originally the symbol was a U struck over/under the S, representing Units of Silver. Then as time went by the bottom of the U disappeared, leaving the two vertical lines, and becoming just a single line ($). This my be a myth or an old wives tale. I have nothing to support this theory, but thought I'd throw it out there so that perhaps someone that does know can chime in.

FNM