most recent letter from IRS

Hey, everyone!


Before you read the letter, know this:


I haven't contacted the IRS since, well, last November, and that was to take what is generically called "reliance defense" materials to the IRS.


First lesson that day: I went upstairs to the "compliance enforcement" dept, or whatever they call it. Well, it's "by appointment" ONLY. So I told the lady what I had and what I needed and SHE made it clear SHE had nothing to do with THAT and sent me to the "taxpayer's assistance" office!


The guy there was WAY cool. About five minutes after we met, he just started laughing. "You were expecting a real fight, weren't you?" Well, of course. He told me he was just hanging around until he retired, to get his pension and stuff, and he wished everyone would learn the truth about the IRS!& Took all the materials, dated, stamped, and signed for them.


So, that was that. And unlike the STATE OF VIRGINIA, we've gotten only 4 or 5 letters from the IRS. The "predictable" stuff. Until today.


I'm done setting this up. Read for yourselves. Enjoy. It'll be this weekend before I get to reply to this nimrod.


http://members.cox.net/schnimz/irs.doc


And I would genuinely appreciate "suggestions." I've already written this thing in my head, but you people are in a league of your own, so fire away. Oh, I won't take it as "legal advice."


Thanks, y'all. (I checked the link. It's working good.)


(If this guy was a truck-driver, I'd start the letter by asking him who pissed in his corn flakes. But he'd never, ever "get it.")


Randy

[suijuris]

First of all, this is a computer generated form. They will send this in response to almost anything. That "guy" probably doesn't even exist...

Have you made any arguments, as per their reply?

Sui Juris

Not yet, Sui Juris...


Spent all day in my big-truck and came home to find THAT thing waiting for me.


I think I'll start at the end where he refuses to "respond further." Hit him with that section (whereever it is) about how "helpful" agents are supposed to be, etc.


Also noticed there's no "tax years" given.


And as you noted, yeah, it's definitely spit-out of someone's computer. Starts out: Dear Taxpayer(s)...


Might ask him about his "administering federal tax laws" statement. I.E., "does that mean you don't have any enforcement power"????


I WILL tell him, re "without it [tax collection] all other functions would eventually cease"--agreeing that it's true, that THAT would be a GREAT thing. I will, however, also point out that my raggedy ol' copy of title 26 says ALL that money goes into a "special fund in trust FOR the US," etc.


As far as "There are people who encourage other to deliberately violate our nation's tax laws"? Well, duh. THAT'S what the IRS is for! What a moron.


"it would be unfortunate for [me] to rely upon their opinon." Unfortunate for whom: Me or THEM?


"take statements out of context"? Hell, the IRS wrote the Bible on THAT subject.


And on and on and on.


Just one more piece of evidence for me to get into their hands for them to introduce on my behalf if THEY push it that far.


Thanks for having a look-see. Still don't know why he sounds so upset. Maybe I'll send him a valium along with my reply.


Randy

[suijuris]

I am not big on writing letters, I feel that it is not my duty to correct their errors. They are in error and that is their problem. I think James provided some excellent cites that support this elsewhere.

Also, they claim you made arguments. If you made no arguments, you can make them look like fools in court because they did not respond to your letter... they just sent out thousands of identical form letters instead of actually responding to questions/statements made.

Just my thoughts.
Sui Juris

[suijuris]

A second thought - if you really want to do some letter writing to the IRS, I think your time would be best spent getting your IMF and using the FOIA to update the many errors they have made. This would also help you in court.

Sui Juris

Hey, Sui Juris...


Right. NO arguments. I respond, claim "nothing," and ask only that they "prove" what THEY say.


I actually do have my IMF. Found a site a few years ago with "instructions." Downloaded everything. Went through it and...and I don't know. Didn't find anything terribly "incriminating" on their/its behalf. Then again, not really sure what I was looking for....


Like I said in another post, "the" only real reason and justification I have for answering everything must be a "southern-thing." It's simply considered rude to not answer someone. "People" deserve better, even "natural agents." We'll throw that under the "do unto others" rule. (Also, of course, and this relates to "no arguement," I place into their possession what becomes potential evidence that they have to present if they take it to court. Let them have the burden of proof--I want no part of it.)


But, as always, I am wide-open for suggestions. Here's what I've "learned" over the last four years:


We're (okay, I, me) not really "learning" anything new. I'm unlearning old lies. Which is even more difficult than learning something new. So again, fire away. And thanks for doing so.


Randy

[Jerseee]

randy,


You seem to have the right approach on this but, please watch your wording of your letter.& it should be written as matter of fact nothing more.& the question is not who is and who is not a taxpayer.& that is not and should not be the issue.


You know who you are.& they think they know who you are.& the only common ground that both of you are on is the alleged debt.& their trying to collect and your trying to pay it.& that is the situation.& Offering a good faith payment upon verification does not imply that you are who they say you are.& it just shows good faith upon verification of their claim.& Now they can either take the payment or refuse it.


If you want to go into the area of who is who--just start with jurisdiction and go from there.& but, i would stick to the alleged debt issue and never leave it.&use your remedy and go in peace.

Originally Posted by Jerseee

If you want to go into the area of who is who--just start with jurisdiction and go from there.& but, i would stick to the alleged debt issue and never leave it.&use your remedy and go in peace.

Hey, Jerseee...


Oh, yeah. There's the "fantasy" letter I'd LOVE to write, but then the "real" ones&that get written, Joe Friday-style, "just the facts." (Although in this case, THE fact is, ironically, I really have no idea what he's talking about--well, none that he established. Okay,&I "know," but don't "know." Right?)


AND....


You always, always, always mention "use your remedy." Around here, that means...well, it includes hiding the body, and stuff.


So for my benefit (and others, I hope), and IF it's appropriate, what&does "use your remedy" entail?


That's it. Thanks for jumping in here.


Randy


(just found an IRS form you can use to get&"proof" that no return was filed. cool,&huh? the "proof" is there but they want US to request it? Wow.)&

[Jerseee]

Your remedy is HJR 192.& it is public policy.& if the IRS is immune from public policy then they are pretty much not licensed to do business here.& So are they immune from public policy?


public policy was created because of them (amongst other things).

[heavy sigh] meant jokingly...


Okay. So that's the remedy, which leads to "how" to use it, which leads to all that other stuff like boe's, cpn's, right?


Ow! My brain hurts.


Randy