My personal journey... kinda long, sorry.

Hello,

I wanted to write in and post my personal journey thus far with the IRS and my pursuit of getting this burden off my back. I first learned of the tax honesty movement in late 2002 from a relative who told me about Chad Praters Nihl Dicit method of recieving a default judgement from the IRS to not have to pay in anymore income taxes.

I believe I may have been one of his last clients as he was taken to court shortly after I signed up. I didn't do much research on the topic of taxation before this, so what he said I took to heart. He had a video which presented his full page ads in local newspapers for his seminars which he'd invite the IRS to attend. No IRS agent ever showed up. When I signed up, they kept talking about some "upcoming trial". He made it sound as though he was going to take the IRS to court. But in reality it was that he was anticipating being taken to court. Anybody who wants to find out the result of his court case can go to www.taxinformer.com and read up on the court injunction against him. Or you can ask me about the nearly $10,000 fee I paid to him believing this would work. :mad:


Under the guidance of Mr Prater and his staff, I filed a 1040NR stating that I had no income tax liability and requesting a refund of all taxes paid in for 2002 up to the point that I had stopped paying in (around November of 2002). Anticipating this refund was really stupid though, looking back on it now. This started the chain of events of my collection letters going. The first of which1 (Letter PRE-6604) I recieved June 27th, 2003. In it Mr Parizek told me they couldn't accept my 1040 form and to seek competent tax counsel or an attorney. This letter was replied to by Tax Escape which sent the response letter to me annonymously. By this time I was starting to get a rather unsettling and eery feeling about Chad Prater and Rich Cantwell who both ran Tax Escape.

So, I started doing a search online for other people who could guide me in the right direction and help eliminate this fear factor of the IRS being unstoppable. One thing that had always rubbed me the wrong way was that in all the mailings for the Nihl Dicit judgement that I never once recieved any kind of reply from the IRS. I wanted the IRS to reply to me by now. And this is what I was looking for. I came across Chris Hansens site www.familyguardian.org and started doing my own research. I went to the getting help section and found Las Vegas Tax Services, which claimed to be able to go through an administrative process lasting around 4 months to correct the Social Security assumption that I was a United States Citizen to one of myself being an American Citizen. The idea being that the entire liability for taxes begins with the Social Security number showing me to be a US Citizen when I was not and by correcting their assumption, that I would be listed as an American Citizen.

It was during this time that I recieved a 2 second collection letter from the IRS on November 28th, 2003. This time it (Letter 1862) was again from Mr Parizek and stated they had NO record at all of a tax return and was going to assess penalties and a proposed tax. The letter I sent back to them was sent only to Mr Parizek and was about 7 pages long. Still I heard nothing back from the IRS, nor the Social Security administration for the process I was going through to correct my citizenship.

Also during this time, on December 15th, I recieved another collection letter 3 this time a CP: 15 "Notice of penalty charge". The letter I recieved to send back to the IRS was 4 pages long stating once again my status as a nontaxpayer. Again, as before, there was no response to my response.

On February 09, 2004 I recieved yet another letter 4 from the IRS, this time from Cincinatti, a notice CP 504 stating they intended to levy certain assets. The reply I sent back this time now had 8 pages of assertions as well as 3 pages of exnibits. Again, no reply from the IRS ever came.

Around mid April I finished up my administrative process of rebutting to the SSA and IRS my citizenship as a US citizen to that of an American. At the end of this entire 4 month long process I recieved a certificate of Apostille from the state. And that was that! nothing else I thought? I had gone through that whole thing, and was still recieving collection letters, and they weren't getting any prettier! What was I doing wrong? :( How were these people before going for 10 - 20 years without paying? What was their secret? I told a distant friend of mine in Colorado that I had stopped paying income taxes and his reply was "oh yeah? You have to be carefull who you tell that to". Advice I should have heeded to, he mentioned that he stopped paying in nearly 20 years ago and had gone in to change his code. I didn't think about it much until then, but I started looking up IRS coding and learned about the Individual Master File.

It was on March 26th, 2004 that I recieved yet another notice 5 from the IRS, this time it came certified mail and was from Thomas D Mathews of Odgen Utah. This letter was different in a couple ways. For one, it was sent certified, second it started to reflect nearly a thousand dollars that they wanted from me in penalties/ additions to tax. By this time, I was learning about IMF Decoding and had contacted IMF Decoder to start the Decoding process as well as Research Advocates for a rebuttle to what was going on with my situation. The letter I recieved was outstanding! Being sent to 10 different people... from the FBI on to the IRS commisioner; 8 pages and 16 exhibits gave strong rebuttle to their assertion that I was a taxpayer.

This was not the end however and my decoding was well underway when I recieved another letter 6 this time a CP: 22E in mid August from Holsville NY. Now the IRS wanted nearly $5,000 and had also audited me. The letter I replied with was again very lengthy including many many do***ents supporting my claim of being a non taxpayer.

This brings me to my last collection letter 7 that I have yet to recieve. On September 20th, 2004 I recieved a CP 503 letter from Cincinatti, not even signed, just computer generated, which then stated they wanted over $5k. By this time my decoding was nearly complete and a rebuttle sent out at the end of October. Did that shut them up? I'm not sure.

According to this link http://www.irsos.com/IRS%20Notices.htm a CP 503 letter, if ignored will cause a CP 504 via certified mail in 2 - 4 weeks. It's been nearly 2 months now (8 weeks) and nothing. Just silence. Is this the silence I should be anticipating? I never did file for 2003, and am sitting on a tax statement for 2003 that I never have sent in yet. I guess fear of what it may do, or not do.



One last note, I work for a large.. well known, nationwide company, and am in a union. My paycheck comes from one city while the corporate headquarters are in another state altogether. I'd like to inquire about people working for large corporations, such as with 40,000+ employees, or nationwide companies (union based) who have taken a stand against the IRS. With companies this large they can afford to just toss off an employee if they aren't compliant with their wishes. I constantly get people at work who tell me I'm going to lose my job for my stand on taxes and that the company won't tolerate my stand as a nontaxpayer when there are thousands out there who will pay and work. Any thoughts on this?

[weishaupt1776]

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[rushpat]

First of all, you rarely get any kind of response from them. I would dare to say that no one will ever, ever get a letter agreeing with any stand other than what the IRS says.

At best, you can hope that you'll be difficult enough that they'll keep pushing off your file as long as possible, while they go after the easier victims. If you watch the KenG IRS videos, he says that you should continue piling the paperwork on so that it is ***bersome to the agents involved (www.showmethelaw.net).

Anyway, with tax agencies, 2 or 3 months going by without any letters isn't a good guage of whether or not they've dropped you. If you don't hear from them in 6 months, you probably won't hear from them again.

We all wish you well in your journey. Keep studying. Protect your assets (get them out of your name), and keep fighting.

I work for a largish company (10,000 employees worldwide). I'm not to the point of having to contend over garnishment, but they were good about honoring my exempt w4 to not withhold. Some say this isn't a good way to go, but it's worked for me for 16 years, with most every company I've been with, this last one being almost 5 years now.

Hello and thanks for the replies.

Rushpat, I have been sending in a Withholding Exemption Certificate each year as my employer requests. So far, this method is working. My fear is what will happen if the IRS contacts my employer, or puts a levy on my paycheck. I've been scouring the internet looking for additional avenues to approach the IRS with, not to say that this or that method is best, but rather to have a sort of cocktail of methods as armor.

I am curious about legal representation. I know I've only done this for a year and a half, however I still read of people who after 4 - 5 years, or more that are hauled into court to face the wrath of our beloved IRS. And I alwasy ask myself when I read about these cases; Did they decode their IMF, and if so, properly rebutt it and corrrect it? I am curious about any winning cases involving IMF decoding.

I downloaded Chris Hansens "The Great IRS Hoax" and carry chapters 3 - 6 with me at work to study when I have down time, which is often. I'm wanting to educate myself to be the strongest debater possible about income tax, for if and when they do a CDPH on me I'd be able to know the law well enough to counter every assertion they make against me. I'd honestly like to find somebody close to Kansas who is very well versed to accompany me to such a hearing, if I ever needed such support.

I guess all in all, apathy is the biggest killer of those in the tax honesty movement. They read about the falsehoods that the government does to us and get interested, then after they get all their pay they lose interest. I for one enjoy a good debate with those I work with who show their ignorance at me not paying income taxes for reasons as dumb as "unAmerican to not pay taxes". This is why I've tried to keep a proactive outlook towards dealing with the IRS.

Speaking of armor against the IRS, does anybody here know of additional mailings that can be sent in to (as rushpat says) overwhelm the agents looking over my files to just leave me alone? The IRS IS subject to the administrative proceedures act, so any letters or requests sent to them via the administrative proceedures act should come into light as evidence at a trial, would it not? The Vernice Kuglin case should prove that.

The best thing that continuing to contact the IRS administratively would do is prove to a jury that there was no WILLFULL failure to file, or to pay income taxes. It's rather hard for a jury to see continuous requests to the IRS go unanswered then convict the person requesting such information. Perhaps one reason the IRS calls every person a tax payer, and every tax argument "frivolous" and refuses to answer these arguments, rebuttle letters to collection notices is that every time they do answer an individual letter it ends up coming back to bite them when those of us who are educated use it against them. Guess it'd be easier for a group of IRS agents to make a form letter and have a computer spit it out to people than actually address the real issues.

[KaosTheory]

The problem with exempt w-4's is that the employer sends them to Fresno every year to get reviewed. The Fresno poeople will then tell the employer to without the max. Then what do you do? There is no time limit here. You may have no trouble or you may have trouble after only a few years.

[rushpat]

Bastian:

One of the more interesting things I've heard from KenG's videos, is that, just about every time the IRS sends a Notice of Levy to the employers, they don't have names or signatures, so that they can keep their anonymity in case they meet up with someone willing to sue them. One of his suggestions was to make up a letter like it stating that the levy is released. Since the IRS didn't sign theirs, you don't sign yours, no one knows who really sent it. That would be funny. Consider it. Protect your cashflow at all costs.


Kaos:

Exempt w-4's have worked for me for 16 years. I'm not saying that they always will, but they have so far.

[KaosTheory]

Rush,

Heh heh, I saw that part of the video. That was great. Now we need some stock letters to use. I haven't seen one of these letters myself. I wonder if the withholding agent would notice that it had a local post mark on it. How about the "postage paid for" stamp? I mean, how far do you go to make it look like an IRS letter?

I know of people who filed exempt w-4's and after 2 years, the IRS notified the employer to withhold at Single zero. You are very fortunate in your situation.

Kaos,

I'm scratching my head here a little. Is an exempt w-4 the same as a "Withholding Excemption Certificate"? I'm thinking there's a difference.

Regarding sending a letter annonymously to my employer regarding a levy, could the IRS sue an individual for mail fraud doing something like that? Of course they commit fraud with every single piece of mail they send out claiming to be a branch of the federal government. What a person would need is a form letter releasing the levy and to be able to change the SSN and other info to that of the employee. Seems a bit risky though.

folx, the IRS already has enough power to do all kinds of crap, why would you want to give them more ammo by creating a false do***ent?????

i would strongly urge you do not do that!!!!

jon

[KaosTheory]

I haven't heard of a witholding exemption certificate.