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Old 02-23-2004, 11:15 AM
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Sui juris,

Thank you for the link.

I can hear what the employer will say in response to this letter. "Well, you may be able to work in the U.S. without an ssn, however, our corporate department needs this information to take out your taxes. Everyone has to pay taxes."

He has also said to me: "I wish I didn't have to pay taxes. I'd be overjoyed! Every time they take out taxes on someone I employ, they take 18 cents out of my pay as well."

I think if this guy knew for a fact he didn't have to pay certain taxes, he'd go that way. However, his employers tell him that "it's the law" so he follows their lead since they sign his check.

I was supposed to go in and sign forms today and get work. Before I received responses from members here I was going to just give in. Now, I'm back to trying to stand up for my rights. I don't know though. I have the landlord on me about rent, behind on electric, too, and the internet connection won't be far behind.

Anyone here interested in helping me with a potential lawsuit/lawsuits? This isn't the only potential lawsuit I have either. I believe I (and my wife) probably have millions of dollars worth of torts from public servants/officers acting under color of law. I just don't know (and didn't know) how to go about claiming my unalienable rights. Feel free to email or pm me or post if you're interested. I imagine there may be time limits on remedies?

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Old 02-24-2004, 02:25 PM
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I've just discovered that the edit button doesn't allow someone to delete their post?
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check out the Taco Bell case. Just do a web serch with ssn taco bell case and you will find it. It deals with the kid who won in court for being fired for not having a ssn and provides the court's rulings about why a ssn isn't needed.
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Old 08-22-2004, 09:07 PM
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On the same topic:



Tax Attorney Confirms Article on W-4



by Larry Becraft, Jr.



[Reprinted from `American Information Network', Sept/Oct. 1988 in

`The Correspondent']



Presently, I have an appeal in a criminal tax case pending before the

Eleventh Circuit which raises the issue as to who is liable for the

federal income tax. The government filed its brief in this case and I

was utterly amazed at the government's answer to my argument. Due to

the admission so made, I now realize that my argument is monumentally

significant and I feel compelled to tell other attorneys involved in

similar litigation.



Last year, I tried a case in Orlando, Florida wherein Dehur D. Ward

was charged with tax evasion. Ward was a student and follower of a man

named George Arlen, who, like Irwin Schiff, advocated the who's liable

argument built around 26 USC sections 6001, 6011, and 6012. Ward

had engaged in a constant stream of letters to both the IRS and his

employers which squarely raised the issue that he didn't believe he

was liable for the tax because he found no section of the Code that

made him expressly liable.



This position formed the factual foundation for our defense that he

didn't act willfully. It also afforded me the excellent opportunity to

raise the same legal argument via requested instructions and motions

for judgement of acquittal. The essence of my argument was that the

income tax, pursuant to Subchapter N of the Code, imposed the tax only

on aliens and foreign corporations who had sources of income outside

the U.S., and also within U.S. possessions. The only persons expressly

made liable for the income tax are section 1461 withholding agents for

aliens and foreign corporations. This was the legal argument created

by my requested instructions and my Rule 29 Motion.



My brief in Ward's case to the Eleventh Circuit had several major

parts which constitute my ultimate conclusion that state citizens were

not taxed on their sources of income within the states.



First, I treated the question of the jurisdiction of the United

States and showed that its jurisdiction was only in Washington, D.C.,

the federal enclaves within the states and the territories and insular

possessions of the United States.

Next, I discussed all the federal income tax statutes from the

1913 act forward and showed that, statutorily, the tax was one imposed

only in its jurisdiction.

I then treated all prior regulations promulgated for all the

prior income tax acts and showed that the regulations clearly stated

that the tax was jurisdictional.



My argument was thus ended with the conclusion that state citizens are

outside the jurisdiction of the United States and were not thus taxed.

As my brief says: For U.S. citizens, the sources subjected to taxation

are treated in Section 911 and 931. In Section 911, a U.S. citizen

living and working abroad, and thus having sources without the U.S.,

is subjected to taxation. In Section 931, the sources subjected to

taxation are those sources earned within a possession of the United

States.



For U.S. citizens, who were born in the U.S., who are domiciled in the

U.S., and who have sources of income within the U.S., there is no

income tax imposed. Since Ward did not fall within the statutory

classes of individuals subject either to the tax or filing requirement

under section 6012, the District Court committed error in denying his

motions for acquittal.



I then presented the subchapter N argument and concluded that the only

persons liable for the tax pursuant to 26 USC sections 6001, 6011, and

6012, were section 1461 withholding agents. I had expected that the

government would respond with a lengthy, detailed argument showing

that state citizens were taxed via some complicated manner that

directly or indirectly so imposed the tax. But, when I received the

government's brief, I found one page thereof that addressed my

issue.



After calling my argument frivolous, the U.S. attorney then stated as

follows:



"The government is unable, therefore, to offer case authority for the

universally accepted proposition that a citizen of the United States,

working and residing in the United States, subject to federal law,

earning wages, and responsible for filing an income tax return, is

liable for taxation."



Although these are the words of Bruce Hinshelwood, I feel confident

that most other prosecutors would have been compelled to make the same

admission. There, indeed, is no case, or statute, that expressly holds

a state citizen liable for the income tax. It is my hope that you and

other attorneys will study this issue. From my viewpoint, we certainly

need to raise this issue in other circuits. P.S. Why is it that the

only court which has been given jurisdiction of Title 26 crimes is

the U.S. District Court in Guam? See 48 USC 1421.

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Old 09-11-2004, 03:03 PM
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Leatherlips,



I need to make a correction on what you have stated about Taco Bell and the SSN issue. The kid (Thomas) that is in question did not sue Taco Bell and it was settled out of court. Thomas did not win anything. It did not change anything and people that go to work for Taco Bell must supply an SSN to work. It has been declared a "politcal" issue. Sound familiar?



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