State taxes - Page 2

James · #11 02-23-2004, 09:37 PM

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We will have to agree to disagree.<o></o>
>>The "two" lines used to represent silver and gold (real money), but what I have learned is that the single line now represents the value of the Federal Reserve Note.<<<o></o>
I apologize, I wasn’t aware that “Federal Reserve Notes” had value. What is that value?<o></o>
Please tell me where you learned&that the single line now represents the value of the “Federal Reserve Note,” and what it ($) represented, before “Federal Reserve Notes?”<o></o>
>>It makes sense, but only because of the&TWO lines.<<<o></o>
Making sense is a good start wouldn’t you agree? <o></o>
Tell me is it easier to believe in what doesn’t make sense or what does make sense?<o></o>
Can you tell me what the two-lines mean if not silver-bar?<o></o>
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>>Regarding the two vertical lines overlapping the S, I was told that originally the symbol was a U struck over/under the S, representing Units of Silver. Then as time went by the bottom of the U disappeared, leaving the two vertical lines, and becoming just a single line ($).<<<o

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Even this makes sense, whether it’s myth or old wives tale. Silver-bar or units of silver; the important issue is “Federal Reserve Note” is not silver or gold specie. If “$” is symbol for silver or gold specie, then can you see&a problem, but if “$” stands for no silver then “Federal Reserve Note” a.k.a. fiat-money is not a problem. Thanks for info.<o

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#12 02-24-2004, 03:32 PM

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>>The "two" lines used to represent silver and gold (real money), but what I have learned is that the single line now represents the value of the Federal Reserve Note.<<<o></o>
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FRN's&value is that it&can be redeemed for valuable commodities, like gold and silver. 
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I asked you first.& Where did you learn that no-silver bar is represented by the single parallel line? 
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Can you tell me what the two-lines mean if not silver-bar?
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I'm finding that out tonight, i.e.,& talking to the man who told me the single line is representative of the value of the FRN.& Too bad you won't be there to listen. 
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suijuris · #13 02-24-2004, 07:34 PM

JamesDean,

"FRN's value is that it can be redeemed for valuable commodities, like gold and silver."

Pray tell, where can I redeem a FRN for gold or silver? Nothing on the face of the FRN (or anywhere else that I am aware of)&gives any indication that it can be redeemed for anything of value. It does state that it is legal tender for debt, but that is a far cry from being redeemable for valuable commodities.

If I misunderstood your statement, please correct me. If not, please support your claim. I would love nothing more than to redeem any FRN I come across for gold or silver.

Regards,
Sui Juris

goldphoenix · #14 02-24-2004, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SuiJuris

JamesDean,

"FRN's value is that it can be redeemed for valuable commodities, like gold and silver."

Pray tell, where can I redeem a FRN for gold or silver? Nothing on the face of the FRN (or anywhere else that I am aware of)&gives any indication that it can be redeemed for anything of value. It does state that it is legal tender for debt, but that is a far cry from being redeemable for valuable commodities.

If I misunderstood your statement, please correct me. If not, please support your claim. I would love nothing more than to redeem any FRN I come across for gold or silver.

Regards,
Sui Juris

May I make a suggestion?

Thanks.

E-gold. You send a money order (using frns) through an exchanger into e-gold. You can then have gold sent to you for whatever amount you have in your e-gold account. (I could, of course, be wrong)

You can also purchase commemorative gold coins, gold rings, gold earrings, other jewelry or stones with intrinsic value, etc. etc.

Peace,

goldphoenix

suijuris · #15 02-24-2004, 08:02 PM

goldphoenix,

Yes, you are correct in what you said. However, the operative word in my post was redeem, not purchase.

I am aware that at this time you can exchange FRN's for most anything, but this is only because they have perceived value. It is important that you understand that they have NO REAL VALUE.

If you understand the definition of the word redeem, in the sense of getting something back, you will understand what I was driving at in my first post.

FRNs&are without real value,&so when you use them to obtain&a valuable&commodity,&they are only as good as their perceived future value.

If if you wish to by some e-gold or silver, food, gas, or timber to build a house, and the owner of those commodities&perceives that&the FRN's you are offering in exchange for his goods may not be worth anything in a week, how much are your FRN's now worth? Can you go to the bank and redeem them for gold, silver, or another commodity that you can exchange for your food or shelter?

And no court in this land can force me to accept FRN's in exchange for my property. They can only enforce that they are accepted for outstanding debts/obligations.

Hope this helps,
Sui Juris

suijuris · #16 02-24-2004, 08:10 PM

JamesDean,

I should interject the following in case I did not make myself clear on the "redeem" issue:

If you want to obtain a $1 US Silver Eagle, it will cost you about 6 FRNs. If I want to redeem FRNs, dollar for dollar, where do I go?

Regards,
Sui Juris

goldphoenix · #17 02-24-2004, 08:15 PM

I understand what you're saying, Sui Juris. Thank you for that explanation.

It brings me back to thoughts regarding "paying back to Caesar what is Caesar's." While my labor is my own, what I am paid for my labor is Caesar's (frns). So if we&are to pay back to Caesar what is Caesar's, would that not include the frns (Caesar's legal tender) we receive for our labor?

Please point out the hole in this thought, I need you to. This is something I'm trying to get past in my own uneducated mind.

Actually now that I think of it, isn't it the Federal Reserve Banks that prints the notes? and then the gov buys the notes up? or am I wrong on this?

Thanks!

goldphoenix

suijuris · #18 02-24-2004, 08:25 PM

Well, this is not my topic of choice, but I will try:

First, I hear all this talk about Caesar, but WHO is Caesar today?

And if you exchange your property for another item, who now is the lawful owner of what you have recieved, if you have reserved all your rights in doing so?

I cannot tell you what to believe, but I will try to stimulate your mind.

Sui Juris

Ice · #19 02-24-2004, 08:34 PM

goldphoenix,

As I pointed out in another post, the image of Caesar on the coin did not make the coin the property of Caesar... his image was on the coin to honor him.& But, the coins with Caesars image on them were gold and silver... REAL VALUE.& Your labor in exchange for that coin, which contained real value, made the coin yours... REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT IT HAD CAESARS IMAGE ON IT THE COIN BECOMES YOUR PROPERTY.& So, why give it to someone else if it belongs to you?

I don't believe that verse fits in this scenario simply&because FRN's are not GOLD OR SILVER, they are nothing more than ink and paper and they have no REAL VALUE.& And Messiah didn't exactly point out what was Caesar's and what wasn't... did He?& If Labor is YOURS ... then how does anyone else have a right to profit from YOUR LABOR?& Think about it.& That verse could very well have read: "Render unto goldphoenix the things that are goldphoenix's and render unto Ice the things that are Ice's".& See what I mean?& That verse does not mean YOU GOTTA PAY TAXES.

To prove my point, take any note that is backed by gold or silver and an FRN and offer&a choice&to any cashier... watch which one she picks... and then watch her put your note into her pocket and replace it with an FRN. Just goes to show you that some people are not all that "brainwashed".

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goldphoenix · #20 02-24-2004, 10:33 PM

Sui juris and Ice,

Thank you both for your responses.

You both make a lot of sense and I agree.

Now I am faced again with a decision. And it's a very difficult one.

The decision is this: sue or sign the forms and supply ssn.

It comes down to this for me. Feed my family now by signing the forms, or sue (which I have no clue how to do) and hope that&myself and my family are able to&survive while the lawsuit is pending.

It's a doosey of a decision, because in signing those forms and supplying an ssn I am going totally against my spiritual beliefs which I absolutely do not want to do. Yet, I feel I have no choice. Frns don't grow on trees. Aside from feeding my family, I also have a host of pets to feed. I am currently out of food, behind on bills, and feel that the choice I have to make is to throw in the towel and allow myself to be robbed in order to survive. At the same time, I detest the feeling that I must attach myself to sow's ears, rather than silk purses just to survive. I would simply do as has been suggested and sign the forms "without prejudice" and "under duress" and mark them exempt. However, I don't want to end up in jail because of my lack of knowledge/understanding of what my status&truly is. I have my family to think of. I don't want to play the Wizard of America game. Yet, I worry if I don't play I won't be able to survive. I worry if I do&play I will be placing my family into jeopardy. I would greatly appreciate if someone could&answer some questions I have privately, if that is possible. I need to&make a decision soon as I have the potential to&acquire a few part time jobs currently, however, those jobs won't&wait around forever&for me to decide whether I want them bad enough to sign all their forms or not. If anyone can help me with this I would grealty appreciate it. Please email me if possible. Otherwise, I'm afraid I will have to give up for now and sacrifice that which is most dear to me in order to survive.

Thank you all for all of your input. It's all greatly prized and greatly valued.

Agape,

goldphoenix