Failure to File a crime?

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

There is one that you left out and is how I would answer. I am not a "US citizen," I am an American and proud of it. Does that make one a "US citizen?"

Good point.

[Skeptic]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

There is one that you left out and is how I would answer. I am not a "US citizen," I am an American and proud of it. Does that make one a "US citizen?"

In a word, yes.

For example, when somebody becomes an American, that means they become a US citizen. When Bush talks about "My Fellow Americans", he is talking about US citizens. "American" (when used to designate a nationality as opposed to a location) means precisely being a US citizen.

You can be BOTH an American--US Citizen--AND a Virginian (or Californian or New Yorker or whatever); you might be only an American and not a state citizen (if you live in DC, or Guam, etc.); but you cannot be a state citizen and not be an American citizen. That was sort of the point of creating the United States of America as ONE NATION.

[test]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

In a word, yes.

For example, when somebody becomes an American, that means they become a US citizen. When Bush talks about "My Fellow Americans", he is talking about US citizens. "American" (when used to designate a nationality as opposed to a location) means precisely being a US citizen.

You can be BOTH an American--US Citizen--AND a Virginian (or Californian or New Yorker or whatever); you might be only an American and not a state citizen (if you live in DC, or Guam, etc.); but you cannot be a state citizen and not be an American citizen. That was sort of the point of creating the United States of America as ONE NATION.

Dear Skeptic,

I think what some other forum members want to make you realize is that title 26 refers to the US Corporation citizens and not to the ones you mention in your post.

That is why some claim being USA Citizens and still not being subject to title 26.

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

In a word, yes.

For example, when somebody becomes an American, that means they become a US citizen. When Bush talks about "My Fellow Americans", he is talking about US citizens. "American" (when used to designate a nationality as opposed to a location) means precisely being a US citizen.

You can be BOTH an American--US Citizen--AND a Virginian (or Californian or New Yorker or whatever); you might be only an American and not a state citizen (if you live in DC, or Guam, etc.); but you cannot be a state citizen and not be an American citizen. That was sort of the point of creating the United States of America as ONE NATION.

Proof of claim that American means US citizen. I hope you can back that up with law.

Originally Posted by test

Dear Skeptic,

I think what some other forum members want to make you realize is that title 26 refers to the US Corporation citizens and not to the ones you mention in your post.

That is why some claim being USA Citizens and still not being subject to title 26.

What makes you think title 26 refers only to corporations?

so, your saying that you are not subject to laws that you dont like, or all US laws?

and as a state but not US citizen, you still are claiming the right to use all the services the US government provides?

Do you have somw little guidebook as to how this all works or are you making it up on the fly?

[Skeptic]

I think what some other forum members want to make you realize is that title 26 refers to the US Corporation

(puzzled look)

So the USA is a corporation? Where was it incorporated and when?

[Ice]

Originally Posted by HHand

ICE:

If someone is physically present within the continental United States, Alaska, or Hawaii, they have one of three statuses:

Citizen of the United States
resident alien
illegal immigrant.

Which are you? If INS were to come up to you and ask "Are you a United States citizen?" would you say "No." and be subject to arrest and deportation?

Howard

Originally Posted by Skeptic

In a word, yes.

For example, when somebody becomes an American, that means they become a US citizen. When Bush talks about "My Fellow Americans", he is talking about US citizens. "American" (when used to designate a nationality as opposed to a location) means precisely being a US citizen.

You can be BOTH an American--US Citizen--AND a Virginian (or Californian or New Yorker or whatever); you might be only an American and not a state citizen (if you live in DC, or Guam, etc.); but you cannot be a state citizen and not be an American citizen. That was sort of the point of creating the United States of America as ONE NATION.

HHand & Skeptic,

It is obvious that you are unaware that one of the U.S. Supreme Court decisions is that a man may be a "state" citizen and NOT a U.S. citizen. Being a native of one of the "several states" does not necessarily make you a "U.S." citizen. Your premise that there are only 3 status that may be claimed is not supported by the U.S. Supreme Court or current law. (check your list -- here's a clue that there are more than the 3 you cite: you left out "non-resident alien").

If anyone asks me if I am a "U.S." citizen... the answer is "NO". (But I am an "American" because I am a native of one of the "several states"). My actual status is state national. Remember, each "state" is a Sovereign country/nation. The fact that the "several states" (country's/nations) belong to a "union" does not diminish their Sovereignty or their status as separate nations. And I'm sure that members here have demonstrated those facts by citing authority. I would suggest that you read some of the older threads and discover these facts for yourself.

When the President states: "My fellow Americans..." is he speaking to those in "territories or possessions" of the U.S.?? Remember, they are not "Americans" -- but are "U.S." citizens.

Ice

one of the supremes decisions? there are thousands of them.

which one?

[iamfreeru2]

I believe that Ice is referring to the Slaughter-house cases.

In the Slaughter-house cases, 16 Wall. 36, the subject of the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, as distinguished from those of a particular State, was treated by Mr. Justice Miller in delivering the opinion of the court. He stated that the argument in favor of the plaintiffs, claiming that the ordinance of the city of New Orleans was invalid, rested wholly on the assumption that the citizenship is the same and the privileges and immunities guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment are the same as to citizens of the United States and citizens of the several States. This he showed to be not well founded; that there was a citizenship of the United States and a citizenship of the states, which were distinct from each other

[Ecclesiastes]

Originally Posted by JWR

Please show me, with specificity, where is:
1) The liability statute in Title 26USC.
2) The corresponding entry in 26 CFR.
3)The entry in the Federal Register that makes it law.

1) 26 USC 1: "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every (married individual, surviving spouse, head of a household, unmarried individual, or married individual filing a separate return) a tax determined in accordance with the following table...." ("The imposition of a tax ... creates an obligation...." U.S. v. Childs, 266 U.S. 304 (1924).)

2) 26 CFR 1.1-1(b): ""In general, all citizens of the United States, wherever resident, and all resident alien individuals are liable to the income taxes imposed by the Code ...."

3) TD 6500, 25 FR 11402 (11/26/1960), amended by TD 7332, 39 FR 44216 (12/23/1974)

Or, if you would prefer "shall pay" over "impose":

1) 26 USC 6151(a): "Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return
(determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return)." ("When a statute says that a person shall pay a given tax, it obviously imposes upon that person the duty to pay..." U.S. v. Chamberlin, 219 US 250 (1910).)

2) 26 CFR 1.6151-1(a): "Except as provided in section 6152 and paragraph (b) of this section, the tax shown on any income tax return shall, without assessment or notice and demand, be paid to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed at the time fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return)."

3) TD 6500, 25 FR 12137 (11/26/1960), amended by TD 6922, 32 FR
8713 (6/17/1967), TD 6950, 33 FR 5357 (4/4/1968), TD 7102, 36 FR
5498 (3/24/1971), TD 7953, 49 FR 19644 (5/9/1984), and TD 8952, 66 FR 33830 (6/26/2001).