Interesting Read.........

[vanton57]

The 16th Amendment discussion on whether or not it was actually ratified.....

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/

[rushpat]

Actually just saw this myself... was coming here to post the direct link (which might change in the future):

http://www.newswithviews.com/Breakin...breaking29.htm

the link originally posted is really old.

i have first-hand experience with "the millenium package" which made that part of it. i have it. cost me quite a bit too. i'm not sure it is entirely useful, although informative at the very least.

benson (sp?) and rizzo had a falling out, they were part & party (confusingly) to that.

long story short, the IRS attempted to prosecute "Judge Rizzo" (i know because an acquaintance was subpoenaed for the trial). don't know the outcome. don't know what happened to benson.

anyway, if anyone is curious, just ask me.

jon

[Demosthenes]

Bill Benson. What a hero. He tells all his followers that he used to work as a "criminal investigator" for the Illinois Department of Revenue. Turns out he was a paid informant for people who crossed state lines to avoid cigarette taxes. He's fighting a civil injunction right now. Wouldn't want to be on his client list.

And Judge Rizzo. Another paytriot hero. Not only was he prosecuted, he rolled over and pled guilty. His sentencing was supposed to occur in September of last year, but it looks like he's cutting a deal. Wouldn't want to be on his client list.

[weishaupt1776]

The best way to go regarding the 16th Amdmt is to use the presumption that it was ratified.

This way Brushaber case can be used more efectively. why ruin a good defense.?

Demo, although we are on opposing ideologies, I do appreciate your site in that your research helps me widdle down what the Feds are missing.

Thanks

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/Feb...04_tax_084.htm

"Rizzo faces a maximum potential sentence of fourteen years in prison, ten years of supervised release, fines totaling $1,000,000, as well as liability for the costs of prosecution. Mrs. Rizzo faces a maximum potential sentence of six years in prison, fines totaling $500,000 and liability for the costs of prosecution. Judge Roslyn O. Silver of the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona has scheduled sentencing for September 27, 2004."

Yes. Everyone was left hanging out to dry.

The ONLY people more crooked than those in government are those making money in the "patriot" movement.

Do NOT get me started on this one....

Randy

[iamfreeru2]

Got this in an email today. I found it interesting and has some good points. Is Joe Banister a double agent?

FYI:

Who is Joe Banister: Former Special Agent for the I.R.S. or a DOUBLE AGENT?

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE SPOTS ON A LEOPARD!!!!
FOR THE SAKE OF THIS ARGUMENT LET'S SAY HE'S YOU. AS A SPECIAL AGENT FOR OVER 10 YEARS HE PUT AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN PRISON EVERY MONTH, FOR 10 YEARS. THIS IS 120 PEOPLE WHO WENT TO JAIL BECAUSE OF YOU. OF COURSE, HE CARRIED 30 TO 40 OPEN CASES EACH MONTH, SO ONE PERSON A MONTH IS VERY LOW. HE MOST LIKELY PUT 3 TO 5 PEOPLE IN PRISON A MONTH IF HE WAS AVERAGE.
NOW YOU DISCOVER THAT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS IS WRONG. WHAT WOULD THE FIRST THING THAT YOU WOULD DO TO RECTIFY WHAT YOU DID?


WOULD YOU CONTACT THE 120 PEOPLE AND SAY YOU'RE SORRY? JOE DIDN'T.
WOULD YOU TRY TO GET THE ONES STILL IN PRISON OUT? JOE DIDN'T.
WOULD YOU HELP THE FAMILIES OF THE INCARCERATED PERSON? JOE DIDN'T.
WOULD YOU WARN THE JUDGE? JOE DIDN'T.
WOULD YOU WARN THE BUREAU OF PRISONS? JOE DIDN'T.
WOULD YOU ASK YOUR GOD FOR FORGIVENESS?
OR WOULD YOU PUT ON TAX SEMINARS?
OR WOULD YOU JOIN WITH THE SO-CALLED LEADERS OF THE TAX REVOLT AND GAIN THEIR CONFIDENCE, & PUT ON SEMINARS SELLING A $20.00 BOOK (PROFIT $10.00 TO $15.00). LET'S SAY YOU SOLD 100 BOOKS EACH SEMINAR (ONCE A MONTH DURING THE TAX SEASON) THAT'S $1,500, OR $18,000 A YEAR. LESS THAN YOUR OLD SALARY AT IRS.

NOW LET'S SAY YOUR OLD BOSS COMES TO SEE YOU AND OFFERS YOU 25 PERCENT OF EVERY PERSON THAT YOU TATTLE ON. THEY GIVE YOU THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WHERE 90 PERCENT OF ALL TAX PROTESTORS ARE, AND EVEN SET YOU UP WITH EVERYTHING YOU NEED. HE AGREES THAT YOU WILL GET 25 PERCENT OF EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU HELP COLLECT FROM THE TAX PROTESTORS. BUT HE GETS 5 TO 7 PERCENT AS A KICK BACK.

WHICH CAN YOU MORE MONEY ON? SELLING BOOKS AT SEMINARS? OR COUGHING UP TAX PROTESTORS, BY SENDING THEM TO PRISON? WHAT DO YOU THINK?.

NOW THAT THE IRS HAS TO FOLLOW THE NEW TAXPAYERS BILL OF RIGHTS, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO COLLECT FROM THEM. IF YOU HELP THEM WIN A CRIMINAL CASE, AND THEY GO TO PRISON. IT'S AUTOMATIC THAT THE IRS WILL GET THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS, HOME (AVERAGE VALUE IN L.A. IS $150,000.00 TO $250,000.00). IF JOE (YOU) GET 20 TO 25 PERCENT OF THE HOME, IT AMOUNTS TO $40,000.00 TO $60,000.00 FOR EACH CASE. YOU COULD MAKE $160,000 TO $240,000 A MONTH CLEAR PROFIT.

YOU COULD PUT ONE PERSON IN PRISON A MONTH MAKING $40,000.00 A MONTH OR YOU COULD SELL BOOKS AT $20.00 EACH AND MAKE Sl,500 WHY NOT DO BOTH????

JOE HAS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO DEMAND HIS FULL SALARY, PLUS RETIREMENT IF HE GETS A CASE TO CONVICT ON ONE PERSON A MONTH. HE HAS THE EXPERIENCE TO KNOW JUST WHAT THE PROSECUTORS WANT AND NEED TO CONVICT, AND HE GIVES IT TO THEM.

IN JOE"S BOOK HE TALKS ONLY ABOUT 3 DEFENSES TO BE USED BY PROTESTORS.
1. FEDERAL INCOME TAX IS VOLUNTARY NOT MANDATORY. COURTS RULED MANDATORY.
2. 16TH AMENDMENT WAS NEVER RATIFEED. COURTS RULED RATIFIED.
3. FIAT MONEY FINANCES THE U.S GOVT. COURTS RULED IT'S LEGAL MONEY.


NOW YOU HAVE TO THINK REAL HARD. JOE NEVER TELLS YOU NOT TO FILE A 1040. HAS ANYONE EVER WON A TRIAL USING ANY OF THESE DEFENSES??? HELL NO!!!! WHY DOESN'T HE USE THE 5TH AMENDMIENT? I WON USING THAT IN 1973.

WHY DOESN'T HE USE THE "RELIANCE DEFENSE"? SEVERAL HAVE WON USING IT.

ANYONE IN THE TAX PROTEST MOVEMENT KNOWS THAT THE 3 JOE MENTIONS ARE THE WORST DEFENSES AVAILABLE, AND THAT EVERYONE THAT HAS EVER USED ANY ONE OF THESE THREE DEFENSES, HAS GONE TO JAIL FOR A LONG TIME. SHOW ME ONE WIN. YOU CAN'T.
READ THE BOOK. TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY THE IRS!

DON'T BE A"SUCKER" INVESTAGATE THIS MAN FULLY. HE COULD BE A SNITCH.

WITHIN THREE YEARS, (IT TAKES THAT LONG FOR THE DUMMIES IN THE TAX MOVEMENT TO FIGURE THINGS OUT), OLD JOE BANISTER WILL HAVE MADE HIMSELF $500,000.00 A YEAR OR A MINIMUM OF ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONVICT ONE PERSON A WEEK FOR OVER FIVE MILION DOLLARS A YEAR, OR MORE. WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. PROVE ME A LIAR. DON'T BE A KAMIKAZE. IF HE'S BUSY CONVICTING KAMIKAZES, HE'LL KEEP THE IRS OFF MY BACK AND I HOPE YOURS. ALWAYS PLAY IT SAFE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE. GOD BLESS & GOOD LUCK.

BILL DREXLER, JD (ret.)

[RickA]

Very interesting. Isn't this Joe Bannister apart of the group demanding the irs answer question?

[Demosthenes]

Doubtful about Banister. He's been indicted and his criminal trial is scheduled for June of this year

[weishaupt1776]

How could someone as intelligent as he(forensic accountant) & experienced in Internal revenue(CID) as he use these STUPID Arguments?:

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  1. FEDERAL INCOME TAX IS VOLUNTARY NOT MANDATORY. COURTS RULED MANDATORY.
  2. 16TH AMENDMENT WAS NEVER RATIFEED. COURTS RULED RATIFIED.
  3. FIAT MONEY FINANCES THE U.S GOVT. COURTS RULED IT'S LEGAL MONEY.

Definitely challenges the critical thinking LOL!