ssn and right to work

[goldphoenix]

Thank you, Ice, and Randy!


Randy, the consequences I have suffered in the past many would say weren't worth the fight. It was my own ignorance of the fraud being perpetrated that enabled these agencies to do what they have done.


I'm proud of you for the stance you took to stop feeding this Beast. And I'm sorry to hear that after all that the Beast got the upper hand. As I mentioned, I do understand, as I have lost much to the Beast, as many do every day.


You may already understand this, however, from my studies I have ascertained that the W-4 is a negotiable instrument, ruled by negotiable instruments law, UCC.


If you sign this negotiable instrument using "without prejudice" UCC 1-207 above your signature (making your signature "conditional" as opposed to "unconditional") then you have made no promise to pay and can then mark exempt. You must then defend your stance by rebutting agency presentments with a reply to their letters within 3 days of receipt. A Revocation of signature is in order. There is more to this method and I may very well try it. If it sounds of interest to you, please see: www.godissovereignfast.com It contains incredibly good information. I highly recommend it to all those who prize their freedom. I also highly recommend all those that can afford to do so to support Mr. Dixon in his efforts and to buy his book. It can be read prior to purchase, as it is free on the web.


I have been a fool for a very long time, and have suffered great losses because of it. I intend to turn that around if I can.


My problem is that now that I have refused to provide/disclose this number, as I no longer wish to be associated with such, my position at that franchise was filled by someone else. Because of my stance I have lost that opportunity. I have another opportunity, however, in order to get hired there (hardware store in the garden section) I need a driver's license to make deliveries, etc. If I were to attempt to obtain a driver's license they also would want a social security number.


http://www.libertymls.com/libertyactivist/dotltr.htm


this link provides some constitutional objections that have perhaps yet to be brought up in a true Article 3 court of law, or any court of "law" for that matter. It is an old link, however, I feel that the arguments are valid. If I had a little more court savvy I'd probably be up to challenging DMV on the basis of this rule interfering with my God-given rights. However, paperwork costs cash, and cash is a big obstacle for me. And is another reason the job at the hardware store is passing me by (no money to purchase a license to begin with).


thank you, Randy, for your kindness and thoughfulness. It would be an honor to correspond with you! I'll likely be doing just that! It's always nice to throw around ideas with a fellow lover of freedom!


Freedom and Peace to all,


goldphoenix

Originally Posted by ThinkingWolf

Do you mean specific to the "minimum wage" reference? My 11 exemptions don't give me close to 100%... perhaps I misunderstand.&

Hey, T-Wolf, what's up?


No, the actual final "wage" shouldn't matter. Claiming "10," as you know, is the "magic number" that IF the employer knows and understands his "assumed" responsibilities, he's supposed to report, to the IRS,&any w-4 stating 10 or more exemption/withholding allowances.


I've done the "10-thing" bunches of times when I just wanted more money, and I always got 100 per-cent of my money. ONE exception: Claiming 10 gave me 100 per-cent of federal but NOT state? Never could figure that out.


But I'd say if you're claiming 11 and still NOT getting all your money, someone in the payroll department is screwing up big-time!


At the very least, get a name and contact them and ask them to check into it. Something really just ain't right.


And while you're at it, explain that you're one of those "unusual" types who "prefers" to NOT "pay your taxes a little at a time," but would rather "settle up with the IRS" at the end of the year. And then ask them if they have any procedures/policies in place that might let them help you accomplish this without placing the employer at risk. (Yes, "we" know it's crap, but I was shocked when my current employer volunteered the information that they could, if I requested in writing, "block income tax withholding." I did, and they stopped withholding fed and state! Never hurts to ask. Again, do emphasize that you're not wishing to place them in any jeapordy...)


Let me know about this one, okay?& Email me if you want to.& I can't believe you ain't getting all your money. Again, I've done for, oh, forever, with damned near every one of my now 41 employers.


Randy

[quote= goldphoenix]


TAnd I'm sorry to hear that after all that the Beast got the upper hand.


Well, sometimes the dragon wins, right?


Then again, that's why I love Tubthumper by Chumbawamba:


"I get knocked down, but I get up again...
They're never gonna keep me down
I get knocked down...."


One terrific song that perfectly defines "man v the state." (They're Irish. Say no more, right?)


please see: www.godissovereignfast.com It contains incredibly good information.


Oh, I'm gonna spend a lot of time there. Halfway down the first page I found this:


"Black's Law 5th. Personal jurisdiction. The power of a court over the person of a defendant in contrast to the jurisdiction of a court over a defendant's property or his interest therein; in personam as opposed to in rem jurisdiction."


Wow. Why didn't *I* think of that? "Power" v "jurisdiction"!


Immediately I'm thinking: "You would have no power at all if it were given from above." (Something like that. Haven't preached--okay, from behind a pulpit--since '78.)


It would be an honor to correspond with you! I'll likely be doing just that! It's always nice to throw around ideas with a fellow lover of freedom!


The door's open and the welcome mat is always out, right?


That invitation is "assignable" to all the other&great people here, as well. A truly noble bunch reside here, no doubt about it.


Randy

[hAKEEM]

I have heard something about telling them I do not have a SSN b/c I do not wish to allow the Gov to prepare for my retirement, I am providing my retirement. Now You say you will not hire me Now&have you made your decission base on your&legal interpretation of the law.


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I&would&probaly&have a witness or tape recorder in my shirt pocket.

[sonny]

Originally Posted by goldphoenix

Hi all,


Here is an email I received from a company which fired me for not supplying a ssn. I wrote this person asking what laws upheld their company's position. This is assistant counsel replying.


Since my first emails were being ignored, I sent an email stating that his lack of reply would be considered a tacit&agreement to my position. Just curious what you all thought about this.


Best regards,


goldphoenix
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Let me explain a couple of things to you, Paul. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>First, I've not received any previous communication from you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Second, I have taken no "stance" on any point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Third, you are not entitled to assume any agreement, tacit or otherwise, with regard to any issue pertaining to the company or&its practices or&positions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fourth,&at this point the company is under no obligation, legal or otherwise, to disclose to you the rationale behind the company's hiring practices or policies.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fifth, your&failure to fully disclose your identity, circumstances, and complaint&in previous communications with company personnel has been disingenuous and&an unproductive use of&your time and ours. Neither the Legal&Department nor the Human Resources Department is disposed to debate abstract points of employment policy or law without relevant context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sixth, if you believe that you have been discriminated against or treated unfairly in an employment matter by the company or one of its&franchisees, you should&contact your local EEOC office and file a complaint.</FONT>&</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004></SPAN>&</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=369145013-25032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My advice is that you take this e-mail message and any materials you believe to be&supportive of your position&to an EEOC office and discuss your concerns with a representative.&The company will address any&legitimate complaints&you may care to present in response to an EEOC inquiry.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

did you contact the eeoc which you should still do because they won a case in court on that issue and you are intitled to damages?

[Shuftin]

Originally Posted by Randy

No, the actual final "wage" shouldn't matter. Claiming "10," as you know, is the "magic number" that IF the employer knows and understands his "assumed" responsibilities, he's supposed to report, to the IRS,&any w-4 stating 10 or more exemption/withholding allowances.

Randy

The W-4 should have a small box that can be checked that says "Exempt".

If you check this box then you keep all of the Fed and State tax. Your employer will still take out SS and Medicare.

If you do this then you don't have to have any discussions with your boss.

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by Randy
No, the actual final "wage" shouldn't matter. Claiming "10," as you know, is the "magic number" that IF the employer knows and understands his "assumed" responsibilities, he's supposed to report, to the IRS,&any w-4 stating 10 or more exemption/withholding allowances.

Randy

Originally Posted by Shuftin

The W-4 should have a small box that can be checked that says "Exempt".

If you check this box then you keep all of the Fed and State tax. Your employer will still take out SS and Medicare.

If you do this then you don't have to have any discussions with your boss.

You all are missing the boat a little here, one is committing fraud and the other is not seeing the forest through the trees.
See the attached document on how to file a proper Exemption Certificate, this has been a tried and true method. 2 people in the local area basically got thank you letters from the IRS for submitting it to the employer who had submitted it to them for verification.