07-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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"Unsigned" Letters from the IRS
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"Sign, vb. 1. To identify (a record) by means of a signature, mark, or other SYMBOL with the intend to authenticate it as an act or agreement of the PERSON identifying it. 2. To agree with or join." Blacks Law Dictionary, 7th Ed.
"Signature. 1. A PERSON'S name or mark written by the person or at the person's direction. Commercial law - 2. Any name, mark, or writing used with the intention of of authenticating a document."
Consider the following:
DEAR STRAWMAN:
SEND ME MONEY NOW, PUNK!
AGENT STRAW <--that is a symbol
My there be some hmmm deliberate reason for this kind of 'signature'?
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07-09-2005, 09:41 PM
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UCC 3-402(b) might clear a few things up or cause more questions:
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If a representative signs the name of the representative to an insturment and the signature is an authorized signature of the represented person the following rules apply:
If the form of the signature shows ambiguously that the signature is made on behalf of the represented person who is identified in the instrument the representative is not liable on the instrument.
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Does that shed some light on a few things?
Ice -- Authorized Representative
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08-17-2005, 04:41 PM
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Point of the post was that "AGENT SMITH" is a signature in and of itself and could also be either a seal or stamp.
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08-17-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fulltitle
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
"Sign, vb. 1. To identify (a record) by means of a signature, mark, or other SYMBOL with the intend to authenticate it as an act or agreement of the PERSON identifying it. 2. To agree with or join." Blacks Law Dictionary, 7th Ed.
"Signature. 1. A PERSON'S name or mark written by the person or at the person's direction. Commercial law - 2. Any name, mark, or writing used with the intention of of authenticating a document."
Consider the following:
DEAR STRAWMAN:
SEND ME MONEY NOW, PUNK!
AGENT STRAW <--that is a symbol
My there be some hmmm deliberate reason for this kind of 'signature'?
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Huh?
What, exactly, did you expect at the end of the letter--a thumbprint, or perhaps the IRS agent attaching himself to it, bodily? Of course he's going to sign with his name.
Are you complaining that the signature is not the actual person? Gee, that's amazing! |
08-17-2005, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Skeptic
Huh?
What, exactly, did you expect at the end of the letter--a thumbprint, or perhaps the IRS agent attaching himself to it, bodily? Of course he's going to sign with his name.
Are you complaining that the signature is not the actual person? Gee, that's amazing!
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Under IRS RESTRUCTURING ACT 1998 (RA1998) the IRS employees must give their full name, employee ID number, direct telephone number, under Act section 3503 (a). Of course their correspondence must be signed under penalty of perjury to have the force of law behind it.
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Explanation of Appeals and Collection Process
Within 180 days of July 22, 1998, the date of enactment, the IRS must include with any first letter of propsed deficiency an explanation of the entire tax audit and collection process. Act Section 3504.
manually generated correspondence from the IRS to a taxpayer must include the name, telephone number and unique identifying number if an IRS employee the taxpayer may contact regarding the correspondence,
any other IRS correspondence or notice to a taxpayer must contain a telephone number that the taxpayer may contact,
an IRS employee shall give a taxpayer during a telephone or personal contact the employee's name and unique identifying number and
Procedures are to be developed under which, to the extent practicable, one IRS employee will be assigned to handle a taxpayer's matter until it is resolved.
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Last edited by BOBT12 : 08-17-2005 at 08:22 PM.
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08-20-2005, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Skeptic
Huh?
What, exactly, did you expect at the end of the letter--a thumbprint, or perhaps the IRS agent attaching himself to it, bodily? Of course he's going to sign with his name.
Are you complaining that the signature is not the actual person? Gee, that's amazing!
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The point was that a signature can be just typed/stamped text that is not handwritten. Perhaps you read a bit too much into it? |
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