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Old 08-02-2005, 02:29 AM
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I don't know why people think getting a refund is a big deal, because FRNs are what is destroying this country. Getting a refund doesn't mean they own the fruits of their labor. Getting a refund does nothing to change the corruption in this country. It promotes using Federal Reserve Notes.

I don't want anything to do with government--More FRNs promote government and more government means more theft.
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:24 AM
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PanicPass,

I see your point about FRN's but don't you think that it is a rather big victory when someone can file a return lawfully, showing that they have no taxable income, and have everything refunded including FICA and Medicare.

Bernard VonNothaus is doing a rather good job at returning the money supply to a value based currency. Have you been to his site?

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Old 08-02-2005, 08:27 AM
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Old 08-02-2005, 09:24 AM
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PanicPass,

I see your point about FRN's but don't you think that it is a rather big victory when someone can file a return lawfully, showing that they have no taxable income, and have everything refunded including FICA and Medicare.

KT

No, I do not think it is a rather big victory. There is nothing victorious about signing a 1040 under penalties of perjury. There is nothing victorious about signing a W-4, which most people had to do to get a refund. If you don't work for the government then signing under penalties of perjury is lie. There is nothing victorious about receiving more FRNs which are known to damage people. I have never known FRNS to not damage people.

I wish the entire system would collapse; I hate it so bad.
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Old 08-02-2005, 02:14 PM
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For those that don't know, signing under penalties of perjury is giving the government jurisdiction. Never sign anything under penalties of perjury. 'Under penalties of perjury' is a government oath.

you can read more about jurisdiction and Oaths, here: 1215.org


In every situation where a government attempts to compel an oath, or fails to protect a man of conscience who refuses it, the result is chaos. That government proves itself incapable of any claimed powers as the result, for the only purpose of any government should be to defend the people establishing it - all of those people - and not because they owe that government any duty or allegiance, but for the opposite reason, because the government owes the people its duty and allegiance under the law. This nation came close to that concept for quite a few decades. Then those in federal office realized that they could fool all of the people, some of the time.

Jesus said, "Swear no oaths," extending that even to oaths which don’t name God. If His followers obeyed that command, the unscrupulous members of the society in that day would have quickly realized that they could file false lawsuits against Jesus’ followers, suits that they couldn’t answer (under oath). Thus, Jesus issued a secondary command, ordering His followers to sell all they had, making themselves what today we call "judgement proof." They owned only their shirt and a coat. If they were sued for their shirt, they were to offer to settle out-of-court (without oath) by giving the plaintiff their coat. That wasn’t a metaphor. Jesus meant those words in the literal sense!

You must swear no oaths. That is the penultimate step in self-preservation, and in obedience to the commands of Christ. It’s all a matter of "jurisdiction" (oath spoken). We can’t serve two masters. No one can.


As to what sort of a society Jesus intended without oaths or even affirmations, this writer honestly can’t envision. Certainly it would have been anarchy (no crown). Would it have also been chaos? My initial instinct is to find that it would lead to chaos. Like the Quakers in 1786, I can’t envision a functional government without the use of oaths. Yet, every time a government attempts to use oaths as a device to compel servitudes, the result is CHAOS. History proves that. The Dark Ages were dark, only because the society was feudal, failing to advance to enlightenment because they were sworn into servitudes, unwittingly violating Jesus’ command. When the British crown attempted to compel oaths of allegiance, chaos certainly resulted. And Jesus’ own death occurred only out of the chaos derived by His refusal to swear a compelled oath and an offered oath.

The current Internal Revenue Code is about as close to legislated chaos as could ever be envisioned. No two people beginning with identical premises will reach the same conclusion under the IRC. Is not that chaos? Thus, in every instance where the government attempts to use oaths to bind a people, the result has been chaos.

Hence, this writer is forced to the conclusion that Jesus was right. We ought to avoid oaths at all costs, save our own souls, and for precisely that reason. Yet, what system of societal interaction Jesus envisioned, without oaths, escapes me. How would we deal with murderers, thieves, rapists, etc. present in the society without someone bringing a complaint, sworn complaint, before a Jury (a panel of sworn men), to punish them for these criminal actions against the civil members of that society? Perhaps you, the reader, can envision what Jesus had in mind. Even if you can’t, you still have to obey His command. That will set you free. As to where we go from there, well, given that there has never been a society, neither civil nor martial, which functioned without oaths, I guess we won’t see how it will function until it arrives.

Meanwhile, the first step in the process is abolishing your prior FALSE claims of being under oath (of office) on those income tax forms. You claimed "jurisdiction." Only you can reverse that by stating the Truth. It worked 400 years ago. It’ll still work. It’s the only thing that’ll work. History can repeat, but this time without the penalty of treason extended to you (or your daughters). You can cause it. Know and tell this Truth and it will set you free. HONESTLY. Tell the government, then explain it to every Christian you know. Most of them will hate you for that bit of honesty. Be kind to them anyhow. Once they see that you are keeping what you earn, the market will force them to realize that you aren’t the extremist they originally thought! If only 2% of the American people understand what is written here, income taxation will be abolished - that out of a fear that the knowledge will expand. The government will be scared silly. What if no one in the next generation would swear an oath? Then there’d be no servants! No, the income tax will be abolished long before that could ever happen. That’s only money. Power comes by having an ignorant people to rule. A government will always opt for power. That way, in two or three generations, the knowledge lost to the obscure "between the lines" of history, they can run the same money game. Pass this essay on to your Christian friends. But save a copy. Will it to your grandchildren. Someday, they too will probably need this knowledge. Teach your children well. Be honest; tell the truth. That will set you free - and it’ll scare the government silly.
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Old 09-11-2005, 03:36 AM
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I have read Peter Hendrickson's book "Cracking the Code: The Fascinating Truth About Taxation in America" and it seems rather on point. While I have a few reservations. However, I like to see as many voices speaking against this current tax scheme as posible, whichever, way that they choose. There are always risk in dealing with the IRS, even if one takes no positive action. My heart go out to all who choose to take a stand against the IRS, and other corrupt organizations, that threaten the People's liberty.

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Old 09-11-2005, 07:11 AM
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Not the approach for me

I would think that the objective [Mine, at least] would be to be who you are, not JOHN H DOE.

The people getting those refunds just agreed to be JOHN H DOE.

A man who doesn't know his own name is incompetent.

Henry Franklin is NOT a federal employee, because Henry Franklin has not been registered as chattel.

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Old 11-21-2005, 09:37 AM
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Try explaining that to the uninitiated

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I would think that the objective [Mine, at least] would be to be who you are, not JOHN H DOE.

The people getting those refunds just agreed to be JOHN H DOE.

A man who doesn't know his own name is incompetent.

Henry Franklin is NOT a federal employee, because Henry Franklin has not been registered as chattel.

Henry Franklin

I try to explain these things to my HR/payroll person and she doesn't quite "get it". My thought is to file the corrected returns, and when they are accepted and processed, show her the proof and get my W-2 info removed from the picture altogether. At this point I have to correct a situation that I have only come to realize exists. This requires the HR person destroy the contract (W-2) she has set up with the gubmint on my behalf. This will only happen when I can prove to her otherwise. Having that infusion of cash will be very helpful.

And I don't really want to hear a treatise on FRNs. Being a Sovereign doesn't happen in a vaccum. The people I deal with on a daily basis only accept FRNs. Besides you have to exchange FRNs for the Liberty dollars in the first place! What are the Liberty Dollar people doing with those FRNs - incinerating them?! I will be setting aside silver and gold for that soon to come rainy day, but until that time comes I have to be realistic.
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Old 11-21-2005, 09:45 AM
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I try to explain these things to my HR/payroll person and she doesn't quite "get it". My thought is to file the corrected returns, and when they are accepted and processed, show her the proof and get my W-2 info removed from the picture altogether. At this point I have to correct a situation that I have only come to realize exists. This requires the HR person destroy the contract (W-2) she has set up with the gubmint on my behalf. This will only happen when I can prove to her otherwise. Having that infusion of cash will be very helpful.

And I don't really want to hear a treatise on FRNs. Being a Sovereign doesn't happen in a vaccum. The people I deal with on a daily basis only accept FRNs. Besides you have to exchange FRNs for the Liberty dollars in the first place! What are the Liberty Dollar people doing with those FRNs - incinerating them?! I will be setting aside silver and gold for that soon to come rainy day, but until that time comes I have to be realistic.

The path of least resistance is to ask her to prove that you are an ALL CAPS name. Ask her where her facts are. Trying to argue your position will only bring frustration. She will never "get it" in all probability.

Make her prove her position.

To bolster your position, or give you a starting point, you could do what I did. See this link: Proof of my true name

This is easily accomplished if your parents or older siblings are alive.

If not, there are other ways to accomplish publication of the truth, and then demand that the party who insists you are someone else prove up their claim.

Henry Franklin
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Old 11-21-2005, 02:59 PM
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