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Originally Posted by Submarine Veteran
I've filed for a refund for six years worth of owed money. I'm getting hassled, but I believe I will prevail,
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The "CTC Method" only works if the IRS doesn't realize you're lying to them.
Once they wake up and realize that you actually did receive the payments shown on the W-2 you received, you can kiss your sweet bippy goodbye.
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07-07-2006, 12:23 PM
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That's not accurate. The "IRS" knows you are telling the truth in filling the amended forms. However, detection of all these cases is a difficult matter because of IRS automation. I'm sure tracers must be in place now to detect people "slipping away" from the matrix of deceit. In order to prevent an avalanche of these cases, IRS must use their usual force and coercion to make examples and scare the rest of us into "voluntary compliance."
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Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes
The "CTC Method" only works if the IRS doesn't realize you're lying to them.
Once they wake up and realize that you actually did receive the payments shown on the W-2 you received, you can kiss your sweet bippy goodbye.
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07-16-2006, 08:54 PM
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keep your assets
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Originally Posted by Ice
I do have a better way and I have been sharing it. People don't seem to have enough interest. What is really sad is that those that have passed on my recent invitation have missed out on a very sweet deal. If you're interested in learning more you will have to contact me privately.
Ice
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Ice,
The site your link referred to is AWESOME!! I own a small business along with my wife and we have some of these strategies in place now, but this site showed me some that we don't have. I am about to shore up my asset protection with some of the additional strategies this site offers. Thanks a million!! I respect your knowledge immensely!
Lionel
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07-16-2006, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lionel
Ice,
The site your link referred to is AWESOME!! I own a small business along with my wife and we have some of these strategies in place now, but this site showed me some that we don't have. I am about to shore up my asset protection with some of the additional strategies this site offers. Thanks a million!! I respect your knowledge immensely!
Lionel
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There's sooo much more that you didn't see... hey, we can't give away all the strategies.
Thanks for the kudos.
Ice
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08-05-2006, 09:38 PM
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It appears to me that the original construction of the Constitution was designed to provide first and foremost for States Rights. The states were considered free and independent Sovereignties in and of their own right. Individuals, were considered members of We the People, in whom was trusted all the rights, duties, and authorities, not specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The State's, joined together in an association known as the United States, whose seat of government was the 10 mi.² known as Washington, DC. The purpose for this geographic segregation and limitation was to physically and politically limit the authority of the federal government. The balance of power framed between the states, the executive, the legislative, judicial, and we the people, was intended to provide a separation of power and duty such that none of these could dominate and control the other. In the original Constitution no provision was made for an income tax. Further, individuals were first and foremost citizens of the state in which they resided, there was no such thing as a United States citizen. James Madison wrote a very famous essay discussing whether or not the Constitution was federal or national in nature and he concluded it was a little of both. Today, when you compare the structure of government prior to the Civil War and subsequent to the Civil War, you can only conclude the original architecture has been materially modified. The first modification came with the 14th amendment which made citizens both citizens of the United States and citizens of the state which they reside, and thus laying the groundwork for all subsequent changes. The most significant of these subsequent changes has been the amendment concerning the formation of an income tax, the creation of the Federal Reserve system, and the adoption of the Uniform Commercial Code by most of the states. Coupled together, these changes make an analysis of the entire system in comparison to the original architecture almost impossible. In addition, most citizens have not done a very good job of keeping themselves informed and knowledgeable of the functions of the system. Further, banking monopolies, enormous legal firms, lobbying groups,and an unmanageable bureaucracy aided by a supportive judiciary have really cut back on the checks and balances that are supposed to be in the system. It has simply grown too complicated to really be understood by anyone. Particularly by those entrusted to operate and enforce it. The best and the brightest really don't end up in the judiciary or the administrative agencies charged with enforcing the laws and serving the public. In fact the entire concept of public service seems to have evaporated from the language.
I could make a pretty good argument that the income tax law is possibly unconstitutional, and I could make a pretty good argument that the income tax law is definitely constitutional, and I also know that this would produce no practical results. the same is true for arguments about the Federal Reserve system, the gold standard, and whether or not the original common-law system in use in the 1790s has any use today. My viewpoint is there so many loopholes, and legal methods of protecting yourself resorting to some of these so-called "off the grid" strategies do little more than put you right in the crosshairs and achieve nothing for you.
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08-06-2006, 04:46 AM
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Speaking of crosshairs...
My other half recently got a response from IRS after filing PH's process.
They simply stated that they could not approve her request for refund as it came too late... per their code.
Ice
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08-06-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice
Speaking of crosshairs...
My other half recently got a response from IRS after filing PH's process.
They simply stated that they could not approve her request for refund as it came too late... per their code.
Ice
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Isn't that a victory?
No threats, no violence, just "sorry the SOL ran out."
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08-06-2006, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Submarine Veteran
Isn't that a victory?
No threats, no violence, just "sorry the SOL ran out."
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Yep. No accusation of "frivolous" filing... no "You still owe"... NOTHING.
Just "sorry".
heh heh.
Ice
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08-07-2006, 08:21 AM
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FOIA for IMF
I just received two letters from the IRS disclosure office in response to my FOIA requests for my Master File and Business Master File.
For the Business Master File: I was told that after investigating my request, that they could not find any Business Master File for my strawman. (not necessarily a suprise)
But for the Individual Master File: they told me that they could not fulfill my request in the appropriated time allowed in the letter and by law. They simply asked for a renegotiation of the original contract and an extension of time by which I would not need to respond if I agreed to the extension but that I had the lawful right to initiate a suit against them if I wished.
I have agreed to their proposed contract amendment.
Logan
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11-21-2006, 10:01 PM
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Well isn't that evidense unto itself?
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Originally Posted by Ice
Yep. No accusation of "frivolous" filing... no "You still owe"... NOTHING.
Just "sorry".
heh heh.
Ice
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The mere fact they didn't persue means thay actually DO owe your other half what she claims. Can somone give me the definitions according to the IRC on several words that mimic common word meaning as we know them. I think you may be surprised..
1) employer-
2) employee-
3) income-
4) taxpayer-
5) Gross-income-
6) including-
7) salaries-
8) wages-
9) person-
10) trade or business
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