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Originally Posted by BOBT12
"If any person liable to pay any tax..." MORE IRS BS!
Why section (a) of 6331 is left out of the notice of levy? You have failed, or refused, to answer the question that was put forward.
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So, the law is BS?
What's the point of discussing anything when you make up your own rules as you go along?
Is 26USC6331 valid law or is it BS?
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04-24-2006, 10:19 AM
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Therefore, filing the 1040 form creates a false presumption that one maintains a domicile in the District of Columbia and is either an alien living in the District of Columbia or a "citizen" living abroad and coming under an income tax treaty with a foreign country.
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Indeed Bob. Furthermore is the inference that anyone living in the United States is a federal employee.
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04-24-2006, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyK
So, the law is BS?
What's the point of discussing anything when you make up your own rules as you go along?
Is 26USC6331 valid law or is it BS?
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Section 6331. Levy and distraint
(a) Authority of Secretary
If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay
the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful
for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as
shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon
all property and rights to property (except such property as is
exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which
there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such
tax. Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any
officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the
District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the
United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of
levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such
officer, employee, or elected official. If the Secretary makes a
finding that the collection of such tax is in jeopardy, notice and
demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by the
Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection
thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period
provided in this section.
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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...le=26&sec=6331
"If any person liable to pay any tax". Who is liable for a Subtitle A tax? Again, I have never been informed, under penalty of perjury, that I was liable for any tax under the Code, by the Secretary or any agent of the government.
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04-24-2006, 03:37 PM
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No Inference.
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Originally Posted by David Merrill
Indeed Bob. Furthermore is the inference that anyone living in the United States is a federal employee.
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I have rebutted any such inference, long ago.
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04-24-2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBT12
I have rebutted any such inference, long ago.
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Good point.
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04-24-2006, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
At the expense of coming off 2-faced, I'll have to side with AndyK, again.
Guys, that "6331(a) left out" does not cut it.
The sentence reads if any "person" "liable" then later on it says that the same thing "may" be done to a federal employee. There is no connection between the fed employee and the any person liable according to any grammatical/sentence analysis.
This 6331(a) - 3401 position then makes your whole position hinge on the meaning of the word "includes", which is a very old and creaky hinge needing some oil
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After careful thought Weis I see what you are getting at. Oh well, the section does not apply to me anyway. Have no "income" no bank account, no job. I am perfectly content to have it that way too. I love providing for my family working my land. That is where all wealth comes from anyway. My wife would not have it any other way either.
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04-24-2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBT12
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...le=26&sec=6331
"If any person liable to pay any tax". Who is liable for a Subtitle A tax? Again, I have never been informed, under penalty of perjury, that I was liable for any tax under the Code, by the Secretary or any agent of the government.
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Where is the requirement for that to be done?
Are you making this up, too?
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04-24-2006, 05:45 PM
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IF Any Person LIABLE to pay any tax???????????
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Originally Posted by AndyK
Where is the requirement for that to be done?
Are you making this up, too?
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"If any person liable to pay any tax". Where is the law making me liable, are you making this stuff up Andy? Who is liable for a Subtitle A tax, show me the law, and not your opinion Andy. If there is no law, why should I, or anyone, pay the tax?
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04-24-2006, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBT12
"If any person liable to pay any tax". Where is the law making me liable, are you making this stuff up Andy? Who is liable for a Subtitle A tax, show me the law, and not your opinion Andy. If there is no law, why should I, or anyone, pay the tax?
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If I were to cite the appropriate sections of 26USC, would you accept them or claim:
It's not positive law
Includes is not expansive
Wages aren't defined
or one of the various other typical denials?
Should I even bother to put together a list of the specific code sections and regulations or will they all be "rebutted" ala Hendrickson, Schiff, Hansen, Rose, or the appropriate guru du jour?
Do you really want an answer or are you just parroting the We The People battle cry?
Will you even consider what I post or have you aleady decided to reject it?
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04-24-2006, 06:39 PM
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There is no Law?
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Originally Posted by AndyK
If I were to cite the appropriate sections of 26USC, would you accept them or claim:
It's not positive law
Includes is not expansive
Wages aren't defined
or one of the various other typical denials?
Should I even bother to put together a list of the specific code sections and regulations or will they all be "rebutted" ala Hendrickson, Schiff, Hansen, Rose, or the appropriate guru du jour?
Do you really want an answer or are you just parroting the We The People battle cry?
Will you even consider what I post or have you aleady decided to reject it?
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Whatever, Andy.
If you can't show the LAW, then there is nothing to put together. On the other hand, if you can show such a law, why not show it? It may be helpful to others, at the minimum. I am sure that your IRS bosses would approve of such a noble endeavour.
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