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Old 08-12-2005, 08:46 PM
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How can one be ignorant of the law? Thousands upon thousands of people wrote letter to government officials, asking to be shown the law that requires anyone to pay income taxes. Not one single government official sited that law. What the judge did was nonsense.

This is a sham of justice. I hope that judge is being watched.
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Old 08-12-2005, 10:08 PM
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Squirrel, I like what you said in your post. I have some questions for you ifyou would.


#1. I assume you are familar with this page http://www.hiscovenantministries.org...risdiction.htm because I assum the "Strategic withdrawl" book is the one on this site. My question is. What do you agree with the analysis of "penalities of perjury"?
#2. I looked at expatriation. The problem is that without the number, a person that wants to work at a real job to earn a lving cannot do so. That's the bottom line. I may look at "Strategic withdrawl" again because I see there are different levels of withdrawl.
#3. OK, I looked up codicil in Blacks Law.
"Codicil : A supplement or an addition to a will; it may explain, modify, add to, subtract from, qualify, alter, restrain or revoke provisions in will." OK, so you're saying that in theory,
a) We signed this within the "United States", which we did not, so that is perjury.
b) Potentially, we declared ourselves a federal employees since they are subject to mulitple counts of perjury for one act.
My question is what were the modifications or alterations we made to the "will"? I believe A and B, please explain more.
#4. What is the proper way to rescind the past 1040 forms?
#5. Are you familar with the book "The Errant Sovereigns' Handbook by Augustus Blackstone "? Now in that book, he explains how to terminate the Trust relationship aspect of the SSN. Two questions. a) Can anyone prove it exists? b) If it does exist and his strategy is executed, will that enough to end the attachment so that a person can work and live in peace?


As far as Larken Rose goes. He argued and created a controversy. I would never argue. I would only agree via Administrative Notice, and (a) conditionally accept to do whatever you say after I accurately ascertain that he who purports to act for the Government stays within the bounds of his authority by providing me...
1. A properly executed assessment signed under penalties of perjury...
2. Constitutional oath of office, as required by Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution of the United States and 5 U.S.C. § 3331;
3. Civil commission as agent or officer of Government of the United States, as required by Article II § 3 of the Constitution of the United States
4. Affidavit declaring that he did not pay for or otherwise make or promise consideration to secure the office (5 U.S.C. § 3332);
4. Personal surety bond; and
5. Documentation that establishes his complete line of delegated authority, including all intermediaries such as the Assistant Commissioner (International), beginning with the President of the United States.

Now I'm not arguing about the law. I'm arguing about your authority. Now if he is violates my due process then, it's his business.

Larson v. Domestic & Foreign Commerce Corp., 337 U.S. 682, 69 S.Ct. 1457 (1949): suits agent govt agents: personal if without authority.

Federal Crop Ins. Corp. v. Merrill, 332 U.S. 380, 68 S.Ct. 1 (1947):
"Whatever the form in which the Government functions, anyone entering into an arrangement with the Government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who purports to act for the Government stays within the bounds of his authority. The scope of this authority may be explicitly defined by Congress or be limited by delegated legislation, properly exercised through the rule-making power. And this is so even though, as here, the agent himself may have been unaware of the limitations upon his authority," 332 U.S., at 384.
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Becraft's loyalties?

Agreed. Excellent Post.

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#5. Are you familar with the book "The Errant Sovereigns' Handbook by Augustus Blackstone "? Now in that book, he explains how to terminate the Trust relationship aspect of the SSN. Two questions. a) Can anyone prove it exists? b) If it does exist and his strategy is executed, will that enough to end the attachment so that a person can work and live in peace? (emphasis added)

I still hold by the advisement of the manager at the Social Security office in Colorado Springs. He told me to get rid of the SSN, I should stop saying it and writing it down. I have no SSN. [He also said there is no procedure within the SSA whereby they "get rid of it".] See Constructive Trust and think it over. If the SSN (your SSN) ever comes into existence without you being involved, that is a violation of law; fraud or forgery. The SSA is only capable of suggestions. Other parties have no interest.

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As far as Larken Rose goes. He argued and created a controversy.

I have not been following things in this arena. I discussed 861 arguments with a suitor the other day and it would seem he was just pushing this on me because of the upcoming trial. Sometimes my aloof attitude prompts this - I find myself listening to a seemingly irrelevant stream of information. But yesterday I started looking at information about the trial both here and on Quatloos. Larry Becraft is in the middle of things (it would seem).

A tactic of the IMF is to disjoinder the man and wife; obviously joindered in common law. The coercion is to get the man to cop a guilty plea in return for dismissing all charges against the wife. I know a man who succumbed to that pressure. He consulted with Larry Becraft. Larry had a successful case wherein he convinced the jury that his client was completely convinced the argument (861?) was valid; therefore no true culpability. According to Quatloosian rumor, the 861 argument was abandoned early in the trial. The Quatloos take is that this is admission the argument is bogus.

Why would the 861 argument be set up early in the trial; at least from a credibility standpoint, that Larken and his wife believed in what they were doing only to be abandoned? Leaving the jurists thinking Larken's arguments are disingenious? Why?

Why would Larry Becraft betray the winning argument? That Larken cannot be guilty because a simple layman's reading of the Code gives the clear impression the 861 argument is valid? Why set the jury up to believe Larken genuinely believed the 861 argument valid, only to abandon building upon that foundation?

During my friend's catastrophic encounter with Larry Becraft (he is now in federal prison) a concerned man wanted desperately to get warnings about Larry to my friend. The guilty plea decision was his to make so I only set up the connections and it would seem he failed to follow through. But the warning intended was that Larry Becraft is an IRS shill taking rewards for selling people like my friend and Larken Rose Up the River.

I may not be seeing the events in Larken's trial accurately. I have not been paying careful enough attention to know that the intelligence is being decrypted properly. But it sounds between Quatloos and here like the culpability strategem, Larken and his wife truly believing in the 861 argument, was abandoned shortly into the trial. That was a terrible mistake (if true) and maybe a terrible neglect upon Larry Becraft's part. Possibly a nasty betrayal and extraordinary setback on the political/banking landscape [successful badgering of innocent people to submit].



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Old 08-13-2005, 08:20 AM
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I dont care about their rules, codes or regulations as they are not for me, they are for person's or corporations created under the laws of the United States title 16 USC chap 44A sec 2432 (8) (9) (10) (A) (B)(i)(ii)(iii)(iv). My word is MY BOND so the penalty of perjury means nothing to me.

I do have a real job as a remodeler for a property management company and he pays me in FRN's no taxes or ss are taken because I choose not to participate in this scam they have going on.

A codicil, from codicillus. 2. An imperially granted appointment or special priviledge

label, n. An informative logo, title, or similar marking affixed to a manufactured product. 2. Any writing (such as a codicil) attached to a larger writing. 3. A narrow slip of paper or parchment attached to a deed or writ in order to hold a seal.

You had to have peeled that label from one place and attach it to another, they did'nt do it for you.

The doc's I used from the strategic withdrawel are in the download section here at sui juris.

Basically you gave them Power of Appointment over you as Property held in Trust.
Well, thru FRAUD, DECEIT, MISREPRESENTATION and DISINFORMATION and amongst many others.

Blacks seventh: Power of appointment. A power conferred on a donee by will or deed to select and nominate one or more recipients of the donor's estate or income. Also termed enabling power.

No, I have not read that book so I cant comment on it.
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Old 08-13-2005, 08:55 AM
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This trial was very unfair, Rose could not even put the law into evidence, so that the jury could see it for themselves. as well as many other items that may have proved his case.

According to the reports of people who watched the trial, Rose was allowed to show the jury all of the statutes and regulations he relied on, including statutes and regulations from the 1939 code, and was also allowed to show the jury Supreme Court opinions on income taxes.

Shouldn't that have been enough?

Rose said he was relying on "the law" and he was allowed to show "the law" to the jury. If he lost, then maybe (just maybe) it's because the jury couldn't see what he sees in the law because what he sees in the law isn't really there.

Face it, he had his chance. He got twelve average people on a jury, and all he needed to do was convince ONE of them that he believed he was right. He didn't even need to convince them that he was actually right, just that there was a reasonable basis in the statutes and regulations for what he believed.

If Rose couldn't even convince one in twelve people that he was sincere, he should give up.
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Old 08-13-2005, 09:24 AM
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Supposing Quatloos has its eyewitness source too. I find it peculiar Quatloosians are saying that Larken abandoned his 861 arguement early in the trial.

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Face it, he had his chance. He got twelve average people on a jury, and all he needed to do was convince ONE of them that he believed he was right. He didn't even need to convince them that he was actually right, just that there was a reasonable basis in the statutes and regulations for what he believed.

If Rose couldn't even convince one in twelve people that he was sincere, he should give up. (emphasis added)

That sounds like he got bad counsel from Larry Becraft, whose signature recipe (one or two successes) is this acquittal by genuine belief.

I hope we can get an eyewitness to clarify.


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Old 08-13-2005, 11:11 AM
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A time to pro se, a time not to pro se

From what I understand, Larken Rose went through this trial representing himself. I'm all for the pro se movement in some instances, especially when fighting credit card companies, debt collectors, etc.

But if it came down to facing the "best of the best" in a corrupt kangaroo court, I would want the right legal team representing me because I would be too busy watching my life flash before my eyes to think clearly enough to present and defend my case. Especially, and I do mean especially, when you are facing today's modern American jury of your "peers". You know, the self-absorbed, self-indulgent, dumbed-down consumer units who spend all their time worshiping celebrities, NASCAR, beer, American Idol, Starbucks, SUV's, and who learn everything they know about the legal system on Law and Order.

Just listen to Sherry Jackson's audioblog about Larken's trial (http://www.hearliberty.com/sherry-roseverdict.mp3). There were literally jury members "hooking up" after the trial, exchanging phone numbers to go on dates, etc. Something to think about before getting into a situation where a jury of these "intellectuals" will decide your fate.

Not to mention, Sherry clearly points out the shortcomings of an inexperienced pro se trying to take on the IRS's legal team. I mean, this was Larken's life and fate we are talking about here. It's serious stuff, way beyond VOD letters. You'd think with all that extra income he was saving by not paying taxes that he would have hired someone much more experienced in litigation than he.

Joe Banister would have never represented himself in a million years; he had these guys do it: http://www.bernhoftlaw.com, and we all know the outcome of his trial.

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I understand he was pro se. But I hear he had Larry Becraft for counsel. That is possible. To be considered pro se by the district court but to have professional counsel that is not recognized as such by the attorney at bench.

Did I get this wrong? Somebody pleased correct me. If I have this wrong I will edit any aspersions toward Larry Becraft.



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I understand he was pro se. But I hear he had Larry Becraft for counsel. That is possible. To be considered pro se by the district court but to have professional counsel that is not recognized as such by the attorney at bench.

Did I get this wrong? Somebody pleased correct me. If I have this wrong I will edit any aspersions toward Larry Becraft.



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I'm not sure David, but the following link has all the text and audio blog/comments by some who were actually at the trial, so you might dig around in there to find the answer: http://triallogs.blogspot.com.

Wasn't Larry Becraft working with Vernice Kuglin during her trial?

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