IRS forcing W-4 exemption status "HELP!"

you might also write to the IRS in response to that letter and say "the presentment is dishonored as (your name has reserved all rights under UCC1-207) Or using David Merril's you could say "refused for cause". Someone just e-mailed me a few days ago saying that this letter resulted in receiving a letter from the IRS withdrawing a Notice of Deficiency and appologizing for any inconvenience. I have no idea if this is true but no harm done. Ou would agree with them if they could show you in the law where you were required to file a W4

[Skeptic]

take some time and schedule a meeting with this man/woman. Tell them that they are being put on notice (put this in writing too), that they are not to change your withholding without your permission. Ask them if they are willing to be legally held liable for any withholding without your permission based on an unsigned, anonymous, computer generated letter from the IRS

If you do this, the person in question will quickly realize they have two options:

1). Take your side and get into legal trouble with the IRS themselves, or

2). Take the IRS side and, at worse, be occassionally annoyed by empty, meaningless "legal" threats by the guy who doesn't want the W-4 deductions. (Nobody, after all, had ever actually sued--let alone won--against anybody in the payroll department for that person witholding income tax from their payroll, since that is legal for them to do.)

Since this is the case, it won't be hard for this person to realize that your "I'm putting you on notice" and "you will be held personally responsible" claims are just bluff, empty threats not to be taken seriously. If you continue to annoy them with this nonsense, they would probably simply tell your boss what a nut you are and get you fired.

Good luck.

Skeptic.

That's what I thought. [about you being a liar]

Thanks for proving me right.

Henry Franklin

[chuckhs12]

Skeptic,

I have only one question for you.

"Do you have anything of VALUE to offer?"

If the answer is "YES" then please supply it and quit trying to attack others with nothing of substance.

If the answer is "NO" then just don't reply. It would save a lot of people energy that could be spent in more useful persuits.

I am open to all comments, but when they continue to offer nothing of "VALUE", then it becomes discouraging.

You have the right to say or write what ever you want. I would just greatly appreciate it if it has value!

From what I understand from your posts. Is that you are a slave in bondage and there is nothing you can do about it. So why waste the time. Yet you are unwilling to open your mind and realize that your freedom from whatever it may be starts with your thoughts.

It all starts with an IDEA!!!

[chuckhs12]

Thanks to every one supplying input. It is greatly appreciated!

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

take some time and schedule a meeting with this man/woman. Tell them that they are being put on notice (put this in writing too), that they are not to change your withholding without your permission. Ask them if they are willing to be legally held liable for any withholding without your permission based on an unsigned, anonymous, computer generated letter from the IRS

If you do this, the person in question will quickly realize they have two options:

1). Take your side and get into legal trouble with the IRS themselves, or

2). Take the IRS side and, at worse, be occassionally annoyed by empty, meaningless "legal" threats by the guy who doesn't want the W-4 deductions. (Nobody, after all, had ever actually sued--let alone won--against anybody in the payroll department for that person witholding income tax from their payroll, since that is legal for them to do.)

Since this is the case, it won't be hard for this person to realize that your "I'm putting you on notice" and "you will be held personally responsible" claims are just bluff, empty threats not to be taken seriously. If you continue to annoy them with this nonsense, they would probably simply tell your boss what a nut you are and get you fired.

Good luck.

Skeptic,

You may want to take a look at this. Was this just a threat or did the credit union in this case get sued? I think the credit union lost. They had a fiduciary responsibility to there depositors and disregarded that when funds were turned over to the IRS.. The same is true for private employers. There is no law requiring a private employer to withhold and in fact the private employer must have permission to withhold from the private employee and is why the W-4 is called a withholding ALLOWANCE certificate. I do not have the specific section of the CFR, but if you want it I can get it for you.

[Skeptic]

Originally Posted by chuckhs12

Skeptic,

I have only one question for you.

"Do you have anything of VALUE to offer?"

If by "value" you mean "agrees with your idea of trying to get your employer to not withould", no.

But it might just save you your job not to do so. The point is simple: if you ask the payroll department not to withold, then they'll ask the company's lawyer what to do about this request. When he finishes laughing, he'll tell them it's nonsensical tax protestor BS which will get them in trouble with the IRS is they follow it, so they should just ignore your request (in fact they must do so since it's the law they must withold).

That's the best outcome. If you persist, then the payroll department will talk to your boss and tell him to make you stop this nonsense. If you don't, he'll fire you as being more trouble than you're worth.

So the BEST outcome would be that you embarras yourself in front of your coworkers. The worst outcome is that you'll be fired. There isn't the slightest possibility, however, that they'll stop witholding because you ask them to, even if you use big words like "you've been put on notice" or "you'll be personally responsible". (Just what are you going to do is the ignore you and keep witholding? Sue them for following the income tax law? Good luck.)

But go ahead, try it. Just remember this: none of the people in this forum whp are now giving you worthless and dangerous advice on "how to fight the IRS"--despite the fact that all such "fights" lost--will lift a finger to help you if you follow their advice and lose your job.

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

If by "value" you mean "agrees with your idea of trying to get your employer to not withould", no.

But it might just save you your job not to do so. The point is simple: if you ask the payroll department not to withold, then they'll ask the company's lawyer what to do about this request. When he finishes laughing, he'll tell them it's nonsensical tax protestor BS which will get them in trouble with the IRS is they follow it, so they should just ignore your request (in fact they must do so since it's the law they must withold).

That's the best outcome. If you persist, then the payroll department will talk to your boss and tell him to make you stop this nonsense. If you don't, he'll fire you as being more trouble than you're worth.

So the BEST outcome would be that you embarras yourself in front of your coworkers. The worst outcome is that you'll be fired. There isn't the slightest possibility, however, that they'll stop witholding because you ask them to, even if you use big words like "you've been put on notice" or "you'll be personally responsible". (Just what are you going to do is the ignore you and keep witholding? Sue them for following the income tax law? Good luck.)

But go ahead, try it. Just remember this: none of the people in this forum whp are now giving you worthless and dangerous advice on "how to fight the IRS"--despite the fact that all such "fights" lost--will lift a finger to help you if you follow their advice and lose your job.

Talk about BS. Please prove your claim Skeptic that it's the "law" for a private employer to withhold. This I would love to see. Private employers are not withholding agents and cannot be forced to withhold against the wishes of private employees. Seems like you are dodging my previous post because like all those on quatloosers you have no substance, just allot of hot air.

You are just like the IRS with your use of intimidation and scare tactics. If private employers knew the truth the scam would be over. Problem is if the "income tax" fraud ended to many leeches (attorneys and IRS agents) would be out of work so the threats and intimidation keep the fraud alive by instilling fear, which is exactly what you are trying here. Knowledge is power, however, and those of us that know the truth the IRS cannot scare any more.

[chuckhs12]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

If by "value" you mean "agrees with your idea of trying to get your employer to not withould", no.

But it might just save you your job not to do so. The point is simple: if you ask the payroll department not to withold, then they'll ask the company's lawyer what to do about this request. When he finishes laughing, he'll tell them it's nonsensical tax protestor BS which will get them in trouble with the IRS is they follow it, so they should just ignore your request (in fact they must do so since it's the law they must withold).

That's the best outcome. If you persist, then the payroll department will talk to your boss and tell him to make you stop this nonsense. If you don't, he'll fire you as being more trouble than you're worth.

So the BEST outcome would be that you embarras yourself in front of your coworkers. The worst outcome is that you'll be fired. There isn't the slightest possibility, however, that they'll stop witholding because you ask them to, even if you use big words like "you've been put on notice" or "you'll be personally responsible". (Just what are you going to do is the ignore you and keep witholding? Sue them for following the income tax law? Good luck.)

But go ahead, try it. Just remember this: none of the people in this forum whp are now giving you worthless and dangerous advice on "how to fight the IRS"--despite the fact that all such "fights" lost--will lift a finger to help you if you follow their advice and lose your job.

Skeptic,

from the sounds of your post. You have experience in this area. If that is true, then provide the proof that your opinion/perception is true and that everyone else is false!

I am really interested in that information.

Or are you like most other people that are too afraid of the IRS and the government?

please respond and provide proof of your claim.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

Talk about BS. Please prove your claim Skeptic that it's the "law" for a private employer to withhold. This I would love to see. Private employers are not withholding agents and cannot be forced to withhold against the wishes of private employees. Seems like you are dodging my previous post because like all those on quatloosers you have no substance, just allot of hot air.

You are just like the IRS with your use of intimidation and scare tactics. If private employers knew the truth the scam would be over. Problem is if the "income tax" fraud ended to many leeches (attorneys and IRS agents) would be out of work so the threats and intimidation keep the fraud alive by instilling fear, which is exactly what you are trying here. Knowledge is power, however, and those of us that know the truth the IRS cannot scare any more.

I think that this is a fair evaluation of Skeptic. He often ignores demands for "proof of claim", therefore, he has little value.