IRS forcing W-4 exemption status "HELP!"

[chuckhs12]

I have had an exempt W-4 exemption status for approxiammately 2 years and now they sent me a letter saying that if i don't correct my exemption status, that they will instruct the company I work for to change it to an exemption of 1 and that I would not be able to send in a new W-4 after 30 days from the date of this letter.

I have done some research through the "Supreme Law Library" and read the "Federal Zone". I know there is more info out there on how to handle this issue, but I am not sure where to start. If some one could point me in the right direction, I will greatly appreciate it.

all comments are welcomed.

Thanks!

How bad do you need your job?

If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a way to extricate myself from the situation, which means giving the employer notice that all contracts in which he is allowed to withhold anything due and owing to you to give to the IRS or any other agency is revoked and rescinded.

Just my opinion.

Henry Franklin

[Skeptic]

How bad do you need your job?

Qutting your job not to pay income tax: Bowman's idea of a "victory" over the IRS.

[weishaupt1776]

Regarding the direct address of W-4/W-2; I've seen Pete Hendrickson's Cracking the Code at Losthorizons.com to be pretty sound

The book is only 20 FRNS

The reality of it is that, and this is out of sincere conviction not merely pounding a drum; you are presumed to be a U.S. citizen due to adhesion contracts such as BC's; DL's; SS#'s, etc . . .

In regards to the W-4, A U.S. Citizen is in rebellion towards his Dejure State National Gov(currently non-existent).

So they can treat you any way you want because you are an enemy in the quiet war. The witheld tax on demand is war prize & booty.

Originally Posted by Skeptic

How bad do you need your job?

Qutting your job not to pay income tax: Bowman's idea of a "victory" over the IRS.

Can you show me where I said, alluded, or even insinuated that he should "quit his job?"

If not, you are a liar.

My question was meant to show that telling an employer that the employer is expected to stand up to the IRS is risky. (Telling an employer that all contracts are revoked and rescinded that allow for withholding is risky.)

[Skeptic]

The book is only 20 FRNS

I thought FRNs were worthless because they're not real money?

So why is he asking for FRNs instead of just giving the book away for free?

Originally Posted by Skeptic

How bad do you need your job?

Qutting your job not to pay income tax: Bowman's idea of a "victory" over the IRS.

Can you show me where I said, alluded, or even insinuated that he should "quit his job?"

If not, you are a liar.

My question was meant to show that telling an employer that the employer is expected to stand up to the IRS is risky. (Telling an employer that all contracts are revoked and rescinded that allow for withholding is risky.)

Put up or shut up Skeptic Tank.

Originally Posted by chuckhs12

I have had an exempt W-4 exemption status for approxiammately 2 years and now they sent me a letter saying that if i don't correct my exemption status, that they will instruct the company I work for to change it to an exemption of 1 and that I would not be able to send in a new W-4 after 30 days from the date of this letter.

I have done some research through the "Supreme Law Library" and read the "Federal Zone". I know there is more info out there on how to handle this issue, but I am not sure where to start. If some one could point me in the right direction, I will greatly appreciate it.

all comments are welcomed.

Thanks!

What led you to believe you were exempt from the get-go?

[rushpat]

Ask around the HR/payroll department to find out who would be the one person who would approve of changing your withholding status based on any correspondence with the IRS.

When you find out who this is, take some time and schedule a meeting with this man/woman. Tell them that they are being put on notice (put this in writing too), that they are not to change your withholding without your permission. Ask them if they are willing to be legally held liable for any withholding without your permission based on an unsigned, anonymous, computer generated letter from the IRS. Ask them if they know your personal situation intimately enough to be doing this without your authorization or a court order.

When they find out that they will be held personally, legally liable for the amounts taken, plus damages, they might be willing to ask the IRS to give them either a court order or have someone from the IRS willing to identify themselves and sign their own name to any orders.

Remember, the IRS is nothing more than a very specialized debt collector. Would they do this if a debt collector came along and told them to take money from your paycheck, and they didn't have a court order to go along with them?

Don't be afraid of them (the HR/payroll people). Right now, they do what they do out of fear of the IRS. If you make them think they will be going to court with you (a personal court action, not action against the company), then they might just ask the IRS to back up their claim to make sure they are legally covered.

Just my $0.02

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by rushpat

Ask around the HR/payroll department to find out who would be the one person who would approve of changing your withholding status based on any correspondence with the IRS.

When you find out who this is, take some time and schedule a meeting with this man/woman. Tell them that they are being put on notice (put this in writing too), that they are not to change your withholding without your permission. Ask them if they are willing to be legally held liable for any withholding without your permission based on an unsigned, anonymous, computer generated letter from the IRS. Ask them if they know your personal situation intimately enough to be doing this without your authorization or a court order.

When they find out that they will be held personally, legally liable for the amounts taken, plus damages, they might be willing to ask the IRS to give them either a court order or have someone from the IRS willing to identify themselves and sign their own name to any orders.

Remember, the IRS is nothing more than a very specialized debt collector. Would they do this if a debt collector came along and told them to take money from your paycheck, and they didn't have a court order to go along with them?

Don't be afraid of them (the HR/payroll people). Right now, they do what they do out of fear of the IRS. If you make them think they will be going to court with you (a personal court action, not action against the company), then they might just ask the IRS to back up their claim to make sure they are legally covered.

Just my $0.02

I agree,

Here is a little something you should look at as you prepare for any meeting with the company. Check this out:

At any rate, the Credit Union owed it's highest duty to it's depositors with whom it has a contractual and fiduciary duty. In the instant situation, the BOULDER DAM CREDIT UNION breached that duty, to the injury of the Plaintiffs. This injury included loss of $289.04 and $577.89 (total $ 866.93) taken from Plaintiffs' accounts together with return check fees and late fees of $243.94.

The Credit Union's claim of immunity is misplaced. Per statute (26 U.S.C. section 6332 (e)) and case law cited by Defendant, a bank is provided immunity if it honors an IRS levy. However, in the instant case the Credit Union was merely sent a "Notice of Levy"; consequently. the law providing for immunity when releasing funds pursuant to a "Levy" is not applicable.

Therefore, the Plaintiffs are awarded judgment against the Defendant Boulder Dam Credit Union in the amount of $1,110 87 plus court costs incurred and prejudgment interest.

DATED this 19th day of May. 1998

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/levycase.htm

Like I said before, you cannot be forced to give your signature and there is legal relief available if you are coerced or otherwise forced into signing any document. Your relief is to give notice that the signature was forced, and to declare that the document you were forced to sign is void as a matter of law.

So, with this information, you now know that you need to do two things. First, you need to claim your exemption from withholding on the W4 Form; second, you need to refute the forced signature on the W-4. You can accomplish both of these goals by attaching to the W-4 Form a statement that plainly makes these claims. The statement can be very short and sweet.

There is no need to try to teach anyone (especially your employer) about the intricacies of federal tax law just cover your butt. In the event you feel that your employer will be agitated by your attaching a statement to the W-4 when it is filed with your boss, then just send the statement to the IRS under separate cover. {See the example at the end of this article} ALWAYS SEND THIS STATEMENT VIA CERTIFIED MAIL WITH A RETURN REQUEST GREEN CARD ATTACHED. NEVER GO CHEAP BY USING REGULAR MAIL WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE IRS. YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THE IRS RECEIVED THIS DOCUMENT, AND A GREEN CARD IS THE BEST WAY TO PROVE THIS...

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/taxes/UBDAJUDGE.htm

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...2740#post32740

If they terminate you over this issue, Consider Suing the Corporation and the Individual:
http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...5&page=1&pp=10