So when your new employer hands you a W4, you...?

[idknow]

Originally Posted by unknownelement

Hello all!

My hubbie and I have been researching and learning all that our brains can absorb in regards to sovereignty and recapturing our freedom. We are now applying the principles that we have learned, and now we both find ourselves in similar situations. I have been working for this company for over 4 months as a contractor (after trying to use an cert of exemption in lieu of w4 to no avail). Now, they are trying to up the pressure to get me to come on board as an employee...

So I have explained to them that my giving them a SSN is voluntary, they need only submit an affadavit stating that they requested a SSN and I refused to give it. So far my boss has stated something to the fact that he doesn't really care what the law says, he personally is not comfortable with me not giving a SSN.

So... what to do next? Any action items would be greatly appreciated. I will not give them a SSN and will under no circumstances fill out a W4, what other options do I have?

And then there is my hubbie...

He has been interviewing with this company that will likely offer him a job today. He has made it this far without giving them a SSN. Our thoughts for his situation have been for him to offer all the documentation that he can showing that he is a US Citizen, but that he does not use (have) a SSN. We are pretty confident in our knowledge of the voluntary nature of SSN and authorizing a witholder for that matter, confident enough to make this case to his new employer...

The problem arises in overcoming the preconceived notions about witholding, SSNs, etc. So, to have all bases covered in coming into his new job, he will use all information that is covered in that wonderfull link in the downloads sections about how to keep all of your wages. Does anyone know how a payroll department can process a new employee with no SSN? (And not withold 30% of your pay!!) And also, how can a company run a credit/background check with no SSN?

Any insight into real action items to have all bases covered before this issue results in two very perturbed, unemployed but free people???

i dont remember the cite to it, but there is a rule in the internal revenue code (not the legislation, the code-rules) that says that one claiming to not be a tax-payer must provide the employer with a statement. it's not a hairy statement, just a declaration (as I recall)

sorry i cant be more specific.

[idknow]

a taxpayer is one who owes taxes. this is the "panacea" of the definitions of sect. 7701 of the internal revenue title.

Sorry, I smirked, but what i mean is that a "taxpayer" is a member of a class of "persons" who generate taxable income.

SCOTUS said "income is profit" - and it's never been overturned nor redefined.

sources of income are transactions that involve (if i recall correctly) international exchanges of property.

Do *YOU* have anything within either of those two nexuses in your job?

I dare say "no" <smile>


my tagline would say "what you have freely recieved, freely give. this is my .0002 cents."

[David Merrill]

Dear Squirrel;


Munching down at McDonalds it becomes so clear to me there are many different approaches to reality. I made comment to that effect in my Post.

The gift causing people (suitors) to pay me for my wise advice is that I have the federal repository handy. So do you by way of Federal Register but that really gets mixed up into virtual reality if you are accessing it over the Internet. Point being that I can meet almost any conspiracy theory and explain what is going on factually from a perspective that defeats any conspiracy at all. Even if I explain it in Amshel Meyer's banking policy, "Give me power over a natiion's currency and I care not about its' laws."

I am thirteenth Son from Teunis Jansen Laenen Van Pelt, original Patroon of Manhattan Island. Curing judgment of my bill of exchange on 911 simply makes sense. Werner Maximillian doing the same, curing bond for these united States of America on March 14, 2001 for 2X $5.5t in national debt also makes for a logical conclusion; because it follows the rules of court.

I can probably explain the same events about Taco Bell etc. five different ways. I have notions that people who read here, the Readers, read eveything anybody writes. Unrealistic. But it gives me the impression everybody is on the same page.

Sorry. That is just not true.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[unknownelement]

It also clearly states in the definitions of the IRC that the United States is the Virgin Islands, PR, Guam and American Somoa.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....1.1.1.2.10.64

Am I "effectively conducting business or trade" in any of those places? No...so the law as it was written is on our side, but good luck convincing 98% of the people you meet that the US is only those 4 islands...

[PANICPASS]

Bill Thornton used the following on a passport application, and claimed "Exempt" where it asked for an SSN.

From 1215.org

26 USC 7806(b) says that Title 26 is not the law. In other words, "No inference, implication or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title..." N.B. "legislative construction" means "law."

The Internal Revenue Code is not the law. It only defines a contract between the IRS and the individual.

TITLE 26, UNITED STATES CODE SERVICE.
Section 7806. Construction of Title.

(a) Cross references. The cross references in this title to other portions of the title, or other provisions of law, where the word "see" is used, are made only for convenience, and shall be given no legal effect.

(b) Arrangement and classification. No inference, implication, or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title, nor shall any table of contents, table of cross references, or similar outline, analysis, or descriptive matter relating to the contents of this title be given any legal effect. The preceding sentence also applies to the sidenotes and ancillary tables contained in the various prints of this Act before its enactment into law.