So when your new employer hands you a W4, you...?

unknownelement · #1 08-29-2005, 03:48 PM

Hello all!

My hubbie and I have been researching and learning all that our brains can absorb in regards to sovereignty and recapturing our freedom. We are now applying the principles that we have learned, and now we both find ourselves in similar situations. I have been working for this company for over 4 months as a contractor (after trying to use an cert of exemption in lieu of w4 to no avail). Now, they are trying to up the pressure to get me to come on board as an employee...

So I have explained to them that my giving them a SSN is voluntary, they need only submit an affadavit stating that they requested a SSN and I refused to give it. So far my boss has stated something to the fact that he doesn't really care what the law says, he personally is not comfortable with me not giving a SSN.

So... what to do next? Any action items would be greatly appreciated. I will not give them a SSN and will under no circumstances fill out a W4, what other options do I have?

And then there is my hubbie...

He has been interviewing with this company that will likely offer him a job today. He has made it this far without giving them a SSN. Our thoughts for his situation have been for him to offer all the documentation that he can showing that he is a US Citizen, but that he does not use (have) a SSN. We are pretty confident in our knowledge of the voluntary nature of SSN and authorizing a witholder for that matter, confident enough to make this case to his new employer...

The problem arises in overcoming the preconceived notions about witholding, SSNs, etc. So, to have all bases covered in coming into his new job, he will use all information that is covered in that wonderfull link in the downloads sections about how to keep all of your wages. Does anyone know how a payroll department can process a new employee with no SSN? (And not withold 30% of your pay!!) And also, how can a company run a credit/background check with no SSN?

Any insight into real action items to have all bases covered before this issue results in two very perturbed, unemployed but free people???

Raptor13x · #2 08-30-2005, 04:26 AM

Wait, so you're saying that you are a U.S. citizen?

So you live in the District of Columbia, Guam, or some other U.S. territory outside of the several states?

The U.S. citizen thing is how they get you. God created we the people, we the people created congress, congress created the U.S. citizen. In the line of authority, God is above you, who is above congress, who is above the U.S. citizen. If you suddenly claim to be a U.S. citizen (which if you are living within the several states you most certainly are NOT), then you submit all authority to congress and become bound by any and all laws created for U.S. citizens.

I am a Citizen of Heaven. (Philippians 3:20) I currently inhabit the geographical area known as Michigan, but I am not a resident, nor am I a citizen of the United States or Michigan.

Another thing, be careful with the word "employee". I forget the exact details, but as I recall, an employee is subject to the U.S. government. Someone please correct this if I am leading anyone astray, but it is far better to be a contractor or simply a worker. Its very difficult to convince companies to pay you without a SSN, which is why, if possible, its best to operate a small business of some sort out of your home. The "Elite" are doing everything in their power to make living free a dangerous and difficult endeavor. Good luck with your quest, and God bless.

unknownelement · #3 08-30-2005, 11:19 AM

Raptor,

Thank you for your response. It pretty much boils down to: What tactics can we use to get an employer to hire and pay without using a SSN? What successes has anyone in this forum had in this regard?

unknownelement

seeker · #4 08-30-2005, 11:40 AM

The SS Card, that is -- it states right on there that it is the 'property of the ..." and I don't think you are cited there. So can you TRUTHFULLY say, I don't have one ....I think so -- If you are committed enough.

Follow threads regarding rescinding SS3, voter's cards, etc. Enlightening, I believe.

Seeker

#5 08-30-2005, 12:06 PM

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So when your new employer hands you a W4, you...?

RUN FORREST, RUN!!!

squirrel · #6 08-30-2005, 01:45 PM

Try here,

http://www.cjmciver.org/fed/ssa4.shtml

here,

http://web.nossn.com/nossn.nsf/Views...rials!OpenView

and here.

http://www.nossn.com/

click on case law,

and of course you will have to draw up a independent contractors agreement between you and the People offering compensation for your services.

David Merrill · #7 08-30-2005, 02:47 PM

The proper way to handle a presentment like the W4 is to Refuse it for Cause timely (within three days). One suitor tried this and they sent a letter saying they would withhold the maximum amount. He refused the notice for cause too. The employer withheld the maximum amount. I suppose that the novation was unrecognizable; that the attorneys at the corporation were figuring he had consented in years past. Possibly assuming a constructive trust.

When you work for family or educated people it is completely different than faceless corporations. But even so, the IMF agents tend to start attacking family and educated people.

Most jobs are probationary for sixty or ninety days. So R4C on the initial W4 would be effective in international contract law. However it will probably lead to termination without much effective recourse on your part.

So you may rather consult with trusted Bible interpreters etc. to examine carefully why you detest the SS and Income Tax withholdings. If you continue in the truth and facts of history (the truth will set you free) then you best figure how to be competitive without an employer or at least irreplaceable enough that employers will be competing for your work for hire. Enough so that they will honor your right not to have funds due you diverted to third parties.

Therefore I hope Readers here can appreciate how important of a family decision has been put forth here for counsel.

Unknownelement also said:

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I will not give them a SSN and will under no circumstances fill out a W4, what other options do I have?

It sounds like you and your husband have thoroughly examined your philosophies about life in modern America. It sounds as though your minds are made up. You had better consider the option that you will be shunned and feared by 'normal' people who do not care for or have any love for the truth in thier hearts. So you should decide one way or the other and it sounds like now is the time. Plenty of people seem to sleep at night with all the fraud and lies (colorable money and law); and they can ignore that they are actually the Problem, by simply complying with a W4. That kind of company has already expressed what they think of people like me.

Suijuris is by far the most comprehensive collection of educated people I have encountered on the Internet to date. A lot can be gleaned from Judge Roy Bean types (attorney in a black robe) here too - speaking exclusively from within the scope of The System and Powers that Be.

Regards,

David Merrill.

iamfreeru2 · #8 08-30-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by unknownelement

Raptor,

Thank you for your response. It pretty much boils down to: What tactics can we use to get an employer to hire and pay without using a SSN? What successes has anyone in this forum had in this regard?

unknownelement

I am pretty much in agreement with Raptor on this. Working for ones self is the only way to keep from the withholding scam. Private employers are frightened due to the threats and intimidation from the IRS. The law says that private employers have no requirement to withhold, but the courts with their case law cares not what the legislature (Congress) says about the law. Innocent people have been incarcerated as well. You have a very difficult road ahead of you if you seek "employment." Take this for what it is worth, as it is just MHO. Working for myself has worked for me pretty well though.

squirrel · #9 08-31-2005, 04:55 PM

OOPPs, I made a mistake in my other post.

A Private Contract is what is needed.

Here's something else.

http://www.irs.faithweb.com/

unknownelement · #10 09-02-2005, 10:50 AM

Thanks for all the replies...

An update on my situation: I walked into work on Wednesday and was informed that my services were no longer needed and that our contract was over. I definately agree with those that said that the best way is to be self-employed, so now I am trying to figure out what kind of work can I do to sustain? (Anybody need a web site? :-))

So my hubbie is going to his 3rd interview today, so we shall see how this unfolds. Our current working theory is tell them he does not have a SSN, has never had one but was born in this country.

This whole experience really solidifies our conviction to this quest to live a life that is in the Truth, with faith, and free from man-made, enslaving illusions...