Proper methods of executing becoming a nontaxpayer

I'm curious what methods an individual should go through to become a nontaxpayer? Ya know, once you get involved with this it seems that the protection you have to maintain just compounds. From expatriating your US citizenship to that of an American to having your IMF Decoded, to replying to IRS documents, everything. It seems that too much the patriot movement relies on catching the interest of people by "Pay no taxes!" But there is SO much more. Any thoughts?? I don't ask this for myself, but for those interested in stopping withholding. I personally think there should be proper things done (ie, education) before stopping withholding.

[rushpat]

The first step is to always protect your assets, before you start taking action.

[Raptor13x]

a) eliminate your SSN
b) eliminate your bank accounts, do financial transactions through prepaid debit cards or through a "bank" that doesnt require an SSN

Every single man and woman that has been arrested for tax evasion has had an SSN and a bank account. Without those two adhesion contracts they have not only have no jurisdiction, but they have no knowledge of your financial situation.

[SKYGZR]

Specifics steps for the "elimination" of the SSN you have used. or-have you accomplished such?

Well, based on my current situation with the IRS, I would strongly recommend dealing with the SSN, bank accounts, and also securing assets before pursuing becoming a nontaxpayer. Just these 3, especially securing assets is extremely difficult at best. Once I started getting all my paycheck it was easy to pay off debts, however I still had a house payment, and from what I understand getting a quit claim deed isn't possible unless the house is paid for with no lein holder (bank). Add to that trying to get your employer to remove all traces of your SSN, and then to stop all payments being made electronically by a bank, paying everything with a money order. All the sudden becoming a nontaxpayer isn't all it's cracked up to be. This is even easier to understand once the IRS starts sending notices in the mail and you're dealing with writing letters back. Even in the case you're able to use suggested letters from SEDM, or Preferred Services, once this starts, the IRS will take further steps by contacting your employer or placing leins and levies on accoutns. So, on top of all this you must educate yourself, and stay on top of it, over and over, daily learning something new about being a nontaxpayer. After all this though, there's still IMF Decoding, which I wish I had done to start out with and had COMPLETED (with recieving a new IMF with a 00 or 01 {not required to file}) BEFORE having my withholdings stopped. Then there's the assumption of being a US citizen which can also be rebutted, but with my experience I never got any confirmation that I was regarded as a Citizen of one of the 50 states, no.. instead nothing, silence. The same holds true for all correspondence sent via Certified Mail, return receipt all in hopes it would make a difference and somebody would actually read my letters while building a case if the IRS took me to court. The prospect of getting to court or a meeting with the IRS is the only thing that will stop these goons from coming after the average joe. And leading up to that it seems everything the IRS can do to make your life a living hell will be done, and in the process a gamble of a career, job, marriage and home is all up on the table. Eventually, the preparation (i.e. financial), papertrail, and firsthand knowledge is all we have to rely on. And even after all this with corruption in the courts even all the prepwork is a gamble. Seems the higher up a person goes to get an answer the more corrupt it gets! I guess all in all this is something the government has too much control over the average american citizen, I hope Bush does something to reform this system as now it's full of greedy, lying, deceiving people who have the whole sham running so well they don't know how to stop it. Honestly I could just puke when I see an ad on tv for H&R Block with all the smiling faces about paying taxes.

Personally, I'm struggling to get out of debt at the time, no thanks to the IRS. My personal finances are hanging by a string and I'm doing my best to get out of debt and start over. Perhaps in a few years, if debt free, I can work on becoming a nontaxpayer once again. I'd do it all again in a heartbeat, but having gained the experience must say that I would do it a lot differently. One thing I have learned though, the lure of having your entire paycheck is what entices people into not paying. If you're reading this, become educated first before diving in. I wish I had.

[weishaupt1776]

Asset protection
Status Correction
Study court procedure at jurisdictionary.com
don't do anything until you have secured your assets and wages somehow

[Raptor13x]

I guess I was lucky in a way that when I started this I had no real government-recognized assets, and no real debt either, so I hardly have to worry about asset protection, which is obviously a pain in the ass when debt is involved. I'm only 23 years old, so I have a bit of a jump start in a way. If there's a will there's a way, so you have to decide where your line in the sand is, and when you will stop at nothing to get free. I have officially rescinded my signature for the ssn, and eliminated all adhesion contracts I am aware of. That all is complete at this point.

I've determined the best strategy from someone in my position is, after revoking the ssn, eliminating all bank accounts, revoking all other adhesion contracts, etc... just change your name. Then there is utterly no connection between you and the government. Find a buddy and sell everything you own to him, then have him sell it to your new name, in gold/silver.

Right now I'm working on becoming a full non-taxpayer, and unfortunately my job deals through a seperate payroll company, which sent me back a list of cases of other "sovereigns" who have failed in court. If it comes down to it, I will quit, I have other people willing to just pay me cash for some landscaping work. Either that or start a business of some sort, with no dangerous government connections. The options are limitless, but difficult at times. Being free in this day and age is not for the faint of heart.

[weishaupt1776]

The name change, I've been contemplating. NO Birth Certificate or Birthday.

[juststartingout]

ahh, so true weis!

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by Bastian

Well, based on my current situation with the IRS, I would strongly recommend dealing with the SSN, bank accounts, and also securing assets before pursuing becoming a nontaxpayer. Just these 3, especially securing assets is extremely difficult at best. Once I started getting all my paycheck it was easy to pay off debts, however I still had a house payment, and from what I understand getting a quit claim deed isn't possible unless the house is paid for with no lein holder (bank). Add to that trying to get your employer to remove all traces of your SSN, and then to stop all payments being made electronically by a bank, paying everything with a money order. All the sudden becoming a nontaxpayer isn't all it's cracked up to be. This is even easier to understand once the IRS starts sending notices in the mail and you're dealing with writing letters back. Even in the case you're able to use suggested letters from SEDM, or Preferred Services, once this starts, the IRS will take further steps by contacting your employer or placing leins and levies on accoutns. So, on top of all this you must educate yourself, and stay on top of it, over and over, daily learning something new about being a nontaxpayer. After all this though, there's still IMF Decoding, which I wish I had done to start out with and had COMPLETED (with recieving a new IMF with a 00 or 01 {not required to file}) BEFORE having my withholdings stopped. Then there's the assumption of being a US citizen which can also be rebutted, but with my experience I never got any confirmation that I was regarded as a Citizen of one of the 50 states, no.. instead nothing, silence. The same holds true for all correspondence sent via Certified Mail, return receipt all in hopes it would make a difference and somebody would actually read my letters while building a case if the IRS took me to court. The prospect of getting to court or a meeting with the IRS is the only thing that will stop these goons from coming after the average joe. And leading up to that it seems everything the IRS can do to make your life a living hell will be done, and in the process a gamble of a career, job, marriage and home is all up on the table. Eventually, the preparation (i.e. financial), papertrail, and firsthand knowledge is all we have to rely on. And even after all this with corruption in the courts even all the prepwork is a gamble. Seems the higher up a person goes to get an answer the more corrupt it gets! I guess all in all this is something the government has too much control over the average american citizen, I hope Bush does something to reform this system as now it's full of greedy, lying, deceiving people who have the whole sham running so well they don't know how to stop it. Honestly I could just puke when I see an ad on tv for H&R Block with all the smiling faces about paying taxes.

Personally, I'm struggling to get out of debt at the time, no thanks to the IRS. My personal finances are hanging by a string and I'm doing my best to get out of debt and start over. Perhaps in a few years, if debt free, I can work on becoming a nontaxpayer once again. I'd do it all again in a heartbeat, but having gained the experience must say that I would do it a lot differently. One thing I have learned though, the lure of having your entire paycheck is what entices people into not paying. If you're reading this, become educated first before diving in. I wish I had.

Bastian,

I hear what you are saying. It has been a long road for me, but I can say that I have nothing the IRS can get. I have no JOB, no income, and no property they can get. The home I live in with my wife has a designation of homestead on it that no lien can attach to except in very specific situations and an IRS Notice of Lien is not one of them. Keep studying and keep working at not having anything that can be taken.

One of the reasons I moved to Florida is to get out of California. I lived there for almost 40 years and enough was enough. The FTB is worse than the IRS and I had it with California. I made sacrifices and it is paying off. I still have some things to do, but with the way things are getting I will make the remaining sacrifices needed to complete what needs to be done. I would encourage you to not give up and keep moving forward. It can be done.