How to get Master File Decoded without going broke?

[upnylou]

oops just found more info on this (on this site) .. how many people have actually used "Master File (MF) Decoder Standard Edition" from Soverignty Education and Defense Ministry? its $100 for a donation and i'd just like to have some feedback before donating.


[i'm aware there are a number of 'places' that offer IMF decoding. unfortunatley, i cant afford the THOUSANDS of $$$ to pay for this service. any suggestions on who/where/how to get it done more inexpensively?]

[weishaupt1776]

Lou, I am merely presenting my angle on this, and I'm sure there will be many others forthcoming

First of All, the hardcore presumption forced upon you through adhesion contracts such as Birth Certificates, Driver's Licenses, Soc #, etc .. .; that you are a U.S. Citizen

U.S. Citizens have to pay an income tax, there's no way around it
Dejure (state) Nationals, who can present sufficient evidence PRIOR to any court action or IRS summons, are not liable

People who have denied U.S. Ctiizenship in the past, have gotten shot down in court, because they waited till the last minute, and thought they could just "stand on who they are" in their pleadings without first having have had established a solid admin record concerning their State nationality

Okay, back to the IMF thing:

IMF decoding involves making FOIA requests

When you make a FOIA request, you are presumed to be a U.S. Citizen, because you have to use the SS# to get them:
http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...highlight=foia

Most of these decoding gurus are rip-off artists and haven't posted one win
I know people who have gone all the way with it, gone into CDPH hearings and tried to show their decoded IMF only to have the hearing shut down and then get liened/levied anyway.

[PANICPASS]

I am doing FOIA to gather information for evidence to use to either remove liens, levies or sue the IRS agent(s) for computer fraud, mail fraud, or other crimes. You can get some very good information from FOIA.

Some people think that if you make FOIA requests that the flags may go up or it puts you in their jurisdiction. This is false and misleading. You cannot surrender to jurisdiction even if you wanted to unless you are required to keep records and file returns.

Use the decoding to gather evidence for a lawsuit-- not to stop liens and levies.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

Some people think that if you make FOIA requests that the flags may go up or it puts you in their jurisdiction. This is false and misleading. .

Well you obviously didn't read the thread link to 20 CFR.

Tell me how false and misleading (both words, being adjectives, btw) this is once you read the regulation

[PANICPASS]

If the government has your SSN you are presumed to be a citizen of the United States, true. If you have a lien or levy you gave the government your SSN where it wasn’t required. So instead of arguing what is in their computers for your citizen of the United States (strawman) , why not start here:

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3. What federal law makes it a CRIME for anyone to force you to give your SSN number to them without your voluntary consent!

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[PANICPASS]

One question for you, Weis:

Under 20 CFR, would a foreigner who is not a citizen of the United States, but who has an SSN, still be presumed to be a citizen of the United States because he/she requested information under FOIA? How does the government distinguish citizens of the United States with SSNs from non citizens of the United States that have SSNs?

[weishaupt1776]

That question is certainly intellectually stimulating, and I will admit that I don't have the knowledge or resources to answer with entirety.

Part of that code does state:

• or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence

However, if one has an SSN and receives "income", the ssn ties them into some form of a tax liability to the U.S.

But the real deal is this:


They are pointing a gun at you telling you that you are a naturalized U.S. citizen and that there is some form of a contract/bailment/nexus between you and the U.S. under The 14th amendment,

If you want to toy further and further with being presumed to be a U.S. Citizen, then that is your choice; but not a recommended one.
The premise you brought up is hypothetical. But the fact remains that you were probably born in a Union state; but have adhesion contracts which presume a U.S. Citizen naturalization on you; thus making it MANDATORY that you pay a tax.

If you want to play in the box, the Pete Hendrickson approach seems alot more straightforward, and alot less expensive.

When in doubt, do drop out.

Quit volunteering

[PANICPASS]

but have adhesion contracts which presume a U.S. Citizen naturalization on you; thus making it MANDATORY that you pay a tax.


I don't toy with the idea of U.S. citizenship as much as I toy with the idea of SSNs. The government has no proof that I am a citizen of the United States, and they never will have proof that I am. As far as I am concerned, U.S. citizenship is irrelvant; you can't see it, you can't feel it, you can't touch it, you can't hear it; therefore, it doesn't exist. The SSN comes before U.S. citizenship. The SSN ties you to U.S. citizenship, not the other way around. Without the SSN you are a non-citizen, i.e., a nobody--

[weishaupt1776]

According to the 14th Amendment, written in 1868, the U.S. Citizenship presumption was forced. Part of the first clause reads "born or naturalized in the U.S.".
Well since, you are correct as to the intangibility of this; it is impossible to be born into a fiction. By The Law of Presumption(natural law), you are naturalized at birth according to the big guys with the guns.
With that concept occuring since 1868 and the SSN program in the late 30's/40's (is that right?); I would say that the U.S citizenship weighs in heavier over the SSN.
See, there have been folks who have gotten jobs w/o an ssn, no problem.
So what does the IRS tell the boss to do?
assign a temp tax Id number to the guy for withholding.
Why?
Because the guy is a U.S. citizen and liable for the tax.

The SSN is only a fruit of the poisonous tree.

I definitely in agreement with you regarding attacking the SSN, though.

I apologize for going off topic, but I believe that the Individual Master File is only extraneous in that it has been reported that courts will not look at it.
Decoding is complicated and expensive.

I believe that cracking the code guy has something going, if people want to play in the box.

However, I will cease with this concept for the sake of this thread continuing with the IMF stuff

[PANICPASS]

One last tidbit on U.S. citizenship... this beautiful case quote:

"A citizen of any one of the States of the union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as use in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions. The object then to be obtained, by the exercise of the power of naturalization, was to make citizens of the respective States” Ex Parte Knowles 5 Cal. 300 (1855)."


Now, back to IMF...

http://sedm.org/LibertyU/IMFDecoding.pdf

FOIA has invaluable information if you want to attack liens. You don't need IMF decoding to attack liens. Get the liens off and you've stop all collection action. I do not believe IRS will release any lien without court action. Legalbear has a lien and levy package but that may only be useful if you intend to take court action, which I believe is the only way to get a lien released.

I don't where else you can get overwhelming evidence against IRS except from FOIA.