Bastian, with all respect justly due, I, in objectivity; could not find a post of the nature in response to your non-taxpayer thread.
"My original intent was to help people, like our nice little fence-sitter who started this thread, to realize that as you say...this battle is not for the faint of heart and to think long and hard about the profound life-altering experience this can turn out to be."
posted by TommyGun 06-28-2005, 08:53 AM, post #20.
And to the rest of you who replied, thanks for writing back. Weishaupt1776, no, I'm not mad at those on this site, rather those who so easily and gladly took my money while having very little to say about representation or backing up what they sold. ok.... so, Having a little time to cool off and think a bit..., I have gone down the road of "tax resolution" companies, which has partially led me to where I am now. There's far too much to write about the whole Offer in Compromise to get into here. It hasn't gotten me anywhere, other than a world of hurt. I'm going to go to an attorney to get consulted about filing bankruptcy for taxes. I'm not sure if I can swing it or not, but it's all I know to do at this point.
"My original intent was to help people, like our nice little fence-sitter who started this thread, to realize that as you say...this battle is not for the faint of heart and to think long and hard about the profound life-altering experience this can turn out to be."
posted by TommyGun 06-28-2005, 08:53 AM, post #20.
And to the rest of you who replied, thanks for writing back. Weishaupt1776, no, I'm not mad at those on this site, rather those who so easily and gladly took my money while having very little to say about representation or backing up what they sold. ok.... so, Having a little time to cool off and think a bit..., I have gone down the road of "tax resolution" companies, which has partially led me to where I am now. There's far too much to write about the whole Offer in Compromise to get into here. It hasn't gotten me anywhere, other than a world of hurt. I'm going to go to an attorney to get consulted about filing bankruptcy for taxes. I'm not sure if I can swing it or not, but it's all I know to do at this point.
Bastian,
You have to realize that this TommyGun person was a seemingly temporary resident troll. He had an axe to grind and decided to do it here in this forum for a while.
For the real lawful, legal truth in taxation, I would highly recommend you (and anyone else who hasn't seen it) watch a six hour, six-part series webinar put out by IMF Decoder that I have linked to below. They are a free association of federal lawyers and paralegal researchers and they know their stuff better than anyone else in the land. It's better to learn the only proper, legal, lawful, accurate assessment of taxation laws BEFORE one takes on the IRS, which unfortunately is rarely the path taken first. Once you watch the series you will see why many others theories and creative attempts to become a non-taxpayer have failed.
Interstingly, IMF Decoder offered to decode Larken Rose's IMF and related IRS files for free as a professional courtesy, but Larken thought his 861 argument was the right path, and it eventually landed him in criminal court. He would have never been in criminal court to begin with had he been decoded, because the IRS doesn't want that decoded and rebutted documentation to get in the hands of a jury. Again, you will see why once you watch the webinar.
Moderator: I don't feel this particular post should be put in the service provider section because I am only linking to a free webcast consisting of tax law discussion in a multimedia format, and am not making any particular note of IMF Decoder's actual services, just their free education. They do cover their services in the webinar, so if I am wrong feel free to move it to the service provider section or delete it, etc.
Also, I will post (attachments) here containing all the info from IMF Decoder that I have on both employee withholding issues as well as IRS lien/levy issues if someone could tell me how to do it. It isn't exclusive information because they will offer it free to anyone who asks for it.
SNL
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Here are six attachments in .doc and .pdf format. They cover issues of employer withholding as well as wage levy.
The Substitute W-9 attachment is currently being encouraged by IMF Decoder to give to employers in lieu of the W-4 agreement, and they claim it is being accepted by employers to the tune of around 50% so far, which is really surprising to me but decent odds nonetheless. They say it really depends on how you approach your employer.
"My original intent was to help people, like our nice little fence-sitter who started this thread, to realize that as you say...this battle is not for the faint of heart and to think long and hard about the profound life-altering experience this can turn out to be."
posted by TommyGun 06-28-2005, 08:53 AM, post #20.
And to the rest of you who replied, thanks for writing back. Weishaupt1776, no, I'm not mad at those on this site, rather those who so easily and gladly took my money while having very little to say about representation or backing up what they sold. ok.... so, Having a little time to cool off and think a bit..., I have gone down the road of "tax resolution" companies, which has partially led me to where I am now. There's far too much to write about the whole Offer in Compromise to get into here. It hasn't gotten me anywhere, other than a world of hurt. I'm going to go to an attorney to get consulted about filing bankruptcy for taxes. I'm not sure if I can swing it or not, but it's all I know to do at this point.
Bastian,
Before I left California I had a high paying job that I loved. I left that job because the ones I worked for didn't care what the law said about "income tax." The IRS tried to levy my pay and the company I worked for decided they were going to comply with the IRS demands. About a month later I quit my job and I have found ways since to work without being "employed." That was in 1995. I has been difficult at times, but has been worth it.
There are many of us that are in this, not for the money, but for freedom. I too have been taken for thousands of $$ from Paytriots. We are all looking for that elusive remedy, that silver bullet if you will. There is no silver bullet.
I do believe that there is more than one way to be in this. I have used Redemption quite a bit in the past. Although I still see Redemption as a valuable tool, I am realizing that there is more to it. In order for the principles in Redemption to work we must correct the status with which we find ourselves using the Law. We must use all the tools at our disposal if we expect to turn things around. We must use the key elements of the Law and Redemption together, as I see good in both. I have learned not to put my eggs all in one basket. I have seen those that try to use only the "Law" fail as well as those that only use "Redemption". I like Winston Shrout because he uses both IMHO.
Another big problem we have is that we are not working together. We are all running around like chickens with our heads cutoff not knowing where we are headed. This is what the PTB want and are using this against us. We need to get on the same page or we will never win. We need to be united, of one accord, moving forward as one team. One reason we are not seeing the fruits of our labor is that the other side is together and we are divided. You know what is said about a house divided.
Now as far as Tommygun is concerned and his post to you, do not let that influence you. He is like most on the site (Quatloosers) where he came from. The truth is not espoused there and people like him do nothing but stir the pot and cause division. That is not what this site is about and I encourage you to hang in there and hopefully together we can overcome the challenges we all face and bring about victory.
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Bastian, I feel you brother. Hang in there. You will get through this! The battle is in the mind as Sui stated. its like money. Our job and all that comes with it, we think is our security. Its kind of like a divorce. Very stressful. The death of a dream.
How you would like to live in a one room cabin with no plumbing, a wood stove for heat and be living off the land?
That's where I'm at. One of our rabbits just had some young'uns... which we will eventually eat. We've butchered a 10 point buck and one doe so far (and this is bow season). We've acquired a few more chickens and have plenty of eggs.
I'm thinking we need a milk cow.
I'm busy every day... very busy. It takes a lot of work to live like this... and there aren't very many people that could do it... or would want to. Taking care of the animals is a chore... as is hunting and cutting down trees for firewood in order to have meat on the table and keep warm in the winter.
Do I miss what I had? Not really.
Am I still fighting the good fight? You bet I am.
They will have to kill me to get their way, make me shut up or bend to their will.
The big question is "What is your (total) freedom worth?"
One thing for sure, when this credit system implodes -- I'll be just fine.
I've even got a good stash of silver.
Yep, when the economy hits the skids I'll be one of the survivors. I feel sorry for all those people in the big cities... a city would not be the best place to be when the crap hits the fan.
Don't you folks see it comin'? Has anyone seen the price of gas lately? Are you watching the prices of other items which are sure to go up because of that huge increase in oil? It's comin'... and I would be concentrating on being prepared instead of fretting over the stuff I may lose (but hey, I've already lost what I had ... and it ain't that bad. And yes... I had a lot!).
Ya know, the one thing I don't see too much of is a thing called "greed". That's something that a lot of you folks have to deal with. There are a lot of greedy people out there looking to take advantage (like the IRS). Getting out of the credit economy would be the best thing that could happen to us.
The big question is "What is your (total) freedom worth?"
Ice
Awesome post, and the line above sums it up.
When I am on the other side of this tunnel, I want to do a post with the header "What's this gonna cost me?"
The answer is "only your comfort zone, and letting go of all the lies you believed." (but man, is that all encompassing, or what?)
Ice, I envy you. I am headed where you are, just don't know how I am gonna get there. I know where the land is, but the means for it, are the question.
I do envy you ICE. I've always wanted to go back to "pioneer" living. I actually did it growing up on a farm, then like most I moved to the city to go to college and get a career. The good thing is that I know how to go back to that type of living because you never forget those things you learned growing up. Right now I am pretty prepared for essential survival in the suburbs if it came to it. In the meantime I long for getting back to complete self-sufficiency and I work towards that goal.
But I agree, this fiat funny munny economy will implode. They have been trying like hell to keep it artificially afloat for a long time, but in the end, markets are larger than man/governments and they will have they say.
And this country needs it, oh how it needs it. I always tell my wife that nothing will ever change until the people of this nation are brought to their socio-economic knees, crying out to God (even the athiests) for mercy, digging through garbage cans for food, and especially being forced to (gasp) appreciate the simple things in life once again.
The only problem is this nation's moral fiber has taken a dump since the last great economic disaster (which still spawned Al Capone, John Dillinger, the Barkers, Bonnie and Clyde, etc), so it is anyone's guess as to whether we would eventually band together and fix things or kill each other off in a desperate survival frenzy.
I vote for the latter according to my behavioral observations of my community. I can just see your average mini-van driving soccer mom and Starbucks coffee sippin' yuppie suddenly having the rug pulled out from under their modern, convenient world. Talk about your loose cannons! No way on earth to predict what they will do.
SNM
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Last edited by SlaveNoMore : 10-17-2005 at 09:43 AM.
If I've learned anything from reading all the "get out of the tax lie" stuff here and elsewhere is that it seems that NOBODY has really locked down the sure-fire way to make the IRS bugger off and leave you alone.
In getting "unplugged" getting out of the tax lie is the absolute LAST thing I'm going to tackle (next to the right to drive issue). Only because one wrong move puts you at their mercy.
Indeed, you're in a bad place because you have a good job. The most common point I've seen made about unplugging is the need to support yourself OUTSIDE the corporate-run work environment. Otherwise, your boss is an extention of the Matrix that seeks to control your every move. :(
Keep up your good outlook. Try to change your life accordingly. People who try and make a fortune on half-baked ideas to be "free" are no better than the people who enslave us in the first place.
On another note, Ice really inspires me. Although it's based more on a "survivalist" mindset, most of my unplugging is based somewhat on his model. I've accepted I'll never have a traditional job and truly be "free." So, I'm thinking along the lines of getting away from the rat race and being independent of "the grid."
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