ready to break

Well, I haven't written in for a while. But I thought I'd write to let you all know how my little situation is going with the IRS, and the State in which I reside. I read a post I made a while back regarding becoming a non taxpayer in which some ^&*hole made a comment about me straddling the fence regarding being a non taxpayer. Well, I for one don't really care too much about what happens with my standing on this board after this post. To the jerk who says I'm straddling the fence, he isn't in my situation either, and doesn't know all the issues regarding my tax matter. My employment is not an average job, nor is it one that tolerates pursuing being a nontaxpayer. If the IRS says "take his money", they will, and if I don't like it, I'll be pulled out of service, my nice cushy $80K a year job (10 yr career) will be gone and that's that! Career down the toilet. I pursued being a nontaxpayer for 2 1/2 years, and in that time, I did all I could to find somebody out there in this whole tax honesty movement that would support me regardless of what happened. In retrospect, most all of them only wanted my money, and that's what they got for their services which landed me in a world of hurt.

Since trying to set the record straight with the IRS and the State, my life has gone straight down the toilet. I'm stressed beyond anything I have ever been stressed to before in my life, and it's not getting any better. I recieved another letter from the state today, they want more money for 2002. In addition to the $300 a month payments to them till march of next year, and I still have yet to hear from my attorney on how the IRS is gonna rape me. So far, the IRS doesn't care about my house payment, car payments, or anything, cause to them there is a "national standard" that people around my parts are allowed to live on. I spend more than that, so, even though I have a $1,300 a month house payment, not to mention the bills, credit card payments, or car payments, the IRS says I'm allowed only $965 a month. So, I'm left with (TO THEM) being able to pay out around $800 a month based on my wages. And this is only for the next 5 YEARS! This is forgoing all the damn credit card debt I have in trying to pay off those who I had hoped would defend me if the IRS came knocking, or the attorneys, and state tax payments. So, I'm trying to settle with the credit card companies for my credit card debt. My house has a lien for $40K put on it from the IRS, my credit which 8 months ago was around 720 is completely ruined, and I'm unable to file bankruptcy since the damn laws have changed. And on top of all this, MBNA's attorneys call to tell me they are NOT going to settle my debt, and are going to place yet another lein on my house, and garnish my wages if I don't pay up.

Ya all know what? I'm so seethingly angery at the entire tax honesty movement at this point, I can't hardly type. My hands are literally shaking trying to type all this out. It's really nice for a select few to be able to have the funds, and opportunity, be it they are self employed or whatever to fight the IRS. Most have jobs that have an actual HR department that they can go argue with, most don't work for a multi billion dollar corporation with limitless resources to fight a lowely income tax honesty guy. In the end, I must say to Chad Prater, thanks for taking my 9k, thanks for your support, and costing me my financial freedom. And thanks to those who introduced me to the income tax honesty movement, the same people who wouldn't ever touch having their income taxes not being withheld or not filing. Thanks to American Tax Relief of California for telling me to go ahead with a purchase of a new house while I was in the process of applying for an Offer in Compromise, especially since I don't qualify under the IRS's rules.

In the end, my life is a complete and total train wreck, in the worst way. But it's ok, I'll put on a happy face, and lube up, the IRS is gliding right in, along with a little sand on it too, gotta make it rough ya know. Each and every single payday is met with being in debt more. Waiting each day for that direct deposit from work, having $0.98 in the checking account with no means to deal with any form of emergency, literally starving, having to call in sick to work because I don't have the money to pay for gas to get to work. I haven't gone grocery shopping now for 3 months, basically live on ramon noodles and make it payday to payday. The phone calls are nice as well from all the creditors. Heck, I'm behind on bills now like I never thought I could be in my life, and there's no end in sight. At the moment it looks like the only solution is to... hell, I don't know, I really do not know. But I do know this, my pursuit of tax freedom is the prime cause of it all. It's even nicer being told by direct family members that the entire reason for this is the way I'm living, and I'm "being taken out to the wood shed" by God himself.

My anger towards those in the honesty movement doesn't even come close to how much sheer hatred I have for those in the IRS. It's nice that for 2 1/2 years I sent certified letters to them *&^holes, only to be told after all that time, "this what you owe, deal with it". Forget abating the interest and penalties, that's just not acceptable. I REALLY appreciate the fact that the IRS says NOTHING for each and every letter I write, and in the end doesn't have to give one single bit of accountability for any of it. It was all just a complete waste of time. ...................

*sigh*... I'm exhausted. I give up.

k now.. gonna click post and wait to hear from those ready to flame me.

[Freedomless]

Daily, on the TV, I see advertisements from law firms that specialize in tax problems. These firms state something like "pay pennys on the dollar for taxes owed the IRS". In most states there are firms that do nothing but settling taxes owed. If no one offers any other solution, this may be one.

Did you ever have one of those days that if one more thing adverse happens, you would just go ballistic?

I've had one for almost two years.

Welcome to the club.

Keep fighting.

Henry Franklin

[Sweed]

http://www.irslienthumper.com/


Try this.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Bastian

I read a post I made a while back regarding becoming a non taxpayer in which some ^&*hole made a comment about me straddling the fence regarding being a non taxpayer.

Bastian, with all respect justly due, I, in objectivity; could not find a post of the nature in response to your non-taxpayer thread.

Originally Posted by Bastian

I pursued being a nontaxpayer for 2 1/2 years, and in that time, I did all I could to find somebody out there in this whole tax honesty movement that would support me regardless of what happened. In retrospect, most all of them only wanted my money, and that's what they got for their services which landed me in a world of hurt.

I entered into this in the same way you did, and have come to the conclusion that they operate on the presumption of Federal Citizenship and no other Tax honesty argument matters except for that one issue.

The sour grape is that the corporate world does not see things that way, and one must be U.S Citizen w/an SSN and DOB

The status/standing issue reaches way farther than IRS stuff. It covers every aspect of rebutting any Private mala prohibita code law which may be imposed

Originally Posted by Bastian

.Ya all know what? I'm so seethingly angery at the entire tax honesty movement at this point, I can't hardly type.

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Are you mad at us for some reason?

Originally Posted by Bastian

In the end, I must say to Chad Prater, thanks for taking my 9k, thanks for your support, and costing me my financial freedom.

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Never heard of him. Sorry to hear about his dishonesty

Originally Posted by Bastian

Thanks to American Tax Relief of California for telling me to go ahead with a purchase of a new house while I was in the process of applying for an Offer in Compromise, especially since I don't qualify under the IRS's rules.

Bastian, I have not gotten into nowhere near as deep a problem as you are encountering, however; and I hope I am not being callous - but no matter what happens to you, you must still take full responsibility after the fact. How are you going to respond to this. You still have the same freedom to choose when you picked this battle

YOU PICKED THIS BATTLE.

Originally Posted by Bastian

My anger towards those in the honesty movement doesn't even come close to how much sheer hatred I have for those in the IRS.

I do believe that most people in the TA movement are one sided code pleaders who focus on just one issue and sell their unproven or failing theories. I have bought into one of them and I learned quick that year.
However, I blame myself for not being thorough.

Originally Posted by Bastian

It's nice that for 2 1/2 years I sent certified letters to them *&^holes, only to be told after all that time, "this what you owe, deal with it". Forget abating the interest and penalties, that's just not acceptable. I REALLY appreciate the fact that the IRS says NOTHING for each and every letter I write, and in the end doesn't have to give one single bit of accountability for any of it. It was all just a complete waste of time.

Yup, I've been there and never again. i will be lawfully out of their sandbox

Originally Posted by Bastian

*sigh*... I'm exhausted. I give up.

Do you think you could find a way to get paid on the web, like getiing paid to look at websites? Stuff like that which doesn't involve an SSN?
It doesn't require up front fees and you just go for it.
Perhaps this could get you out of your garnishing situation?

I had a very hard time responding to your post. Each word is definitely a tear in a cry for truth. Definitely one of the most devastating experiences I've read in a long time.
You know that the US corp is scamming, and you knew that this situation could happen to you. It's time for you to find another way out.

There are more paths in this maze than you think.

Don't stay so focused on this job being your only way. I will contact a friend of mine who has been doing the web thing if you'd like

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by Sweed

http://www.irslienthumper.com/


Try this.

Sweed, I doubt that is going to help as he is fed up with paytriots and broke.

Bastion, I hear you man.

I am not going to tell you you are being cursed by God, or you have brought this down on yourself by doing anything wrong.

And it would certainly would not appear that you are mentally on the fence, I am with you on that.

Know what you are? Exposed! You have a lot to lose, at least in your mind, and it is all out there, just waiting to be grabbed. So whoever told you you could send the IRS some certified letters and they would just bug off was a complete fraud, whether they believed in their paperwork or not.

This idea is a bit like having your attorney send the mafia a letter when they kidnap your children, expecting them just to let the kids come home even though they know you hold 10 million worth of ransom insurance or have a ton of cash sitting in the bank.

If everything you have is placed in the open, then the sharks will come out. Plain and simple, I don't care what paperwork you have done and what name you call yourself by.

So, back to my point - you are exposed. And they are holding your "things" ransom to get what they want. And don't think they just want money, they want to control you.

And they will, as long as you live in fear of the loss of your job, your home, and your perfect credit.

Am I saying you are weak or at fault for wanting to hang on to these things?

No! I can only relate to you here, because this is a trait that most of us share, we cannot bear to loose what we have worked for all our lives.

But stop and think, what good is the $1,300 house payment, the $80K job, and the perfect credit score if you have nothing but stress and fear and are scraping the bottom of the noodle can to stay alive?

Just calling it how I see it - you are really killing yourself for what you have already lost - or maybe, what you never really had.

I know the purpose of your post was mainly to vent, and can relate with you. I have been there, but the situation was slightly more abrupt and forced, and I was without a shred of preparation or helpful council. The abruptness and speed with which the entire situation was over was to my benefit in the end, because I was able to quickly adjust to a COMPLETE and TOTAL LOSS of EVERYTHING I owned short of a few wedding gifts and my marriage, the one thing in my life worth more to me than all my material things.

So I moved on, started fresh, and am not bitter. Know that this site would not exist were it not for my experience. So the only reason you can vent here is because I was slammed about as low as a man can go, then I picked myself up, started clean, and held my head (and bird finger) high the whole while. Then I started this site so you can vent. Think about it. You can do the same...

It is not to late to stop for a moment and ask yourself, what do you REALLY have to loose? Then ask yourself if you can bear to loose it. From there, you can decide what is worth your energy and what is a waste.

I wish you the best.

[Ecclesiastes]

Bastian is now facing the reality that the tax laws mean what they say, and that the IRS can and does enforce them, and no one seems to be able to offer him anything other than more poisoned kool-aid.

Typical.

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes

Bastian is now facing the reality that the tax laws mean what they say, and that the IRS can and does enforce them, and no one seems to be able to offer him anything other than more poisoned kool-aid.

Typical.

Define "poisoned kool-aid."

And what have you offered him?

[hAKEEM]

Give to ceaser what is ceaser and to the LORD which is the LORD.

It is written in your law that "No man is ignorant of God’s Law" (Maxim). The Scripture saith, "There is one lawgiver (James 4:12). The Lord is our lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22)." It is also written in your law, "We are all bound to our lawgiver, regardless of our personal interpretation of reality (Maxim). Legality is not reality" (Maxim). The reality is what God says it is, not what your perception of it is. It is also written in your law, "There is no fiction without law. Fictions arise from the law, and not law from fictions" (Maxim).

If the IRS sends you a Notice of Deficiency, this is called a "presentment" in the Uniform Commercial Code. A "presentment" in the UCC is very similar to the Common Law. First, we must understand just how this works in the Common Law. Suppose I get a man's name from a phone book, someone I have never met, and I send him a bill or invoice on a nice letterhead that says, "For services rendered: $10,000.00." I send this by certified mail at the address taken from the telephone book. The man has to sign for it before he can open it, so I get a receipt that he received it. When he opens it, he finds a bill for $10,000.00 and the following statement: "If you have any questions concerning this bill or the services rendered you have thirty days to make your questions or objections known."

Of course, he has never heard of me, so he just throws the bill away and assumes that I'm confused or crazy. At the end of thirty days, I go to court and get a default judgment against him. He received a bill for $10,000.00, and was given thirty days to respond. He failed to object to it or ask any questions about it. Now, he has defaulted on the bill and I can lawfully collect the $10,000.00. That's Common Law. The UCC works on the same principle. The minute you get a Notice of Deficiency from the IRS, you must return it immediately with a letter that says:

The presentment above is dishonored (Your name) has reserved all of his rights under the Uniform Commercial Code at UCC 1-207. This action should be all that is necessary, as there is nothing more that they can do.

[PANICPASS]

Bastian wrote:

I sent certified letters to them *&^holes, only to be told after all that time, "this what you owe, deal with it". Forget abating the interest and penalties, that's just not acceptable. I REALLY appreciate the fact that the IRS says NOTHING for each and every letter I write, and in the end doesn't have to give one single bit of accountability for any of it. It was all just a complete waste of time. ..........

That is very true, Bastian. I'm sure A LOT of people can relate to that. Eight years ago IRS almost put me through the same thing you are. They left me with $800 a month and told my employer to disregard my exempt W-4. A few days after IRS grabbed their first $1,000 I went on medical leave for 6 weeks and lived on disability insurance, which was more than what IRS left me with. During medical leave I decided I wasn't going back to face the levy, so I quit, worked temp, and had one full time job which last about a year without IRS interference. I quit that job just in time to escape another levy.

In any event, you sound stuck in the job - ie., you cannot easily quit and get another one in your field doing contract.

I am probably going to have to face another IRS levy sometime in the near future also, but, I have plans for them. I hope my strategy works. If it does, I won't forget about you and your situation. I'll be in touch.