Is being a beneficiary my downfall???

#1 10-27-2005, 07:35 AM

I recently sent in my notarized beneficiary form from my deceased mother's annuity, which I think is also an IRA. This form has several paragraphs in it and it calls for me giving my date of birth, SSN# as well. I typed a letter stating that since this was are requirement for my mother to have this investment, it wasn't a requirement for me, her beneficiary. I asked for a lump sum check to be sent to my P.O. Box. I also reiterated in the letter that I had no contract with the IRS to do business of any kind, I was in no way shape or form to be considered a taxpayer, was not an employee of the Federal Govt, or employed in the FEDERAL UNITED STATES, etc. This amounts to a face value of about 59K at this time. A lady called me back yesterday saying that if i would put my SSN# on the form, they would give me a check for all the money, if not then I would get this money minus 31 percent taken out for IRS regulation 3406, which is for taxpayers!!! I told her that they then would be compelling me to give them something for me to receive something that already belonged to me and had nothing to do with the IRS's regulations from the beginning!! I am wondering if I should go down to the county and quickly register a Pure Trust or a Common Law Trust, and have this check made out to the Trust!! Any comments? Tired of getting screwd by BB!!!

#2 10-27-2005, 01:47 PM

Sure, then apply online for the EIN for the trust and give them that. you don't have to file the trust at the courthouse. Those are personal documents.

#3 10-28-2005, 05:44 AM

Excuse me for being stupid, but what does the EIN imply?, Does that also make me part of the system? Is this bulletproof for the IRS to not come after me, after getting the full amount, instead of the abridged amount sans 31% of total value?

weishaupt1776 · #4 10-29-2005, 11:42 AM

There's gotta be a way to do some sort of self-executing contract/affidavit on that lady to where she tacitly admits that they have no authority to turn over 31%.

Set it up as an admin record and then mak her liable for torts in a USDC action

This is yet another reason for nationality correction

When one has a clear PUBLIC admin record of their status and clear PUBLIC record of the US recognizing/acquiescing to such, then you can tack on a discrimination charge

You can also claim religious freedom in that the SS# is the Mark of the Beast and that they are penalizing you 31% for not accepting the number of the BEAST.

Remember that religious objections don't have to make sense

idknow · #5 10-29-2005, 09:03 PM

ok, i'm not suggesting what you should do in response to your post but it seems to me that your position as stated in your letter to them was clear and unequivocal; since you already told them that you are not a tax-payer -- they are now trying to re-open negotiations with a counter offer. <yell> do not accept </yell>

heh, refuse their counter-offer and stick to what you wrote to them. I hope you have a photocopy of the letter! IMO, you have already given them good terms according to their law; do not change your law (the terms of your offer/letter and your status as a private citizen) There's no need to open a trust. but i digress: <refocus> Dont change your private law to accommodate foreigners.

</IMO> Be at peace and stand on God's faith.

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Originally Posted by lavender

I recently sent in my notarized beneficiary form from my deceased mother's annuity, which I think is also an IRA. This form has several paragraphs in it and it calls for me giving my date of birth, SSN# as well. I typed a letter stating that since this was are requirement for my mother to have this investment, it wasn't a requirement for me, her beneficiary. I asked for a lump sum check to be sent to my P.O. Box. I also reiterated in the letter that I had no contract with the IRS to do business of any kind, I was in no way shape or form to be considered a taxpayer, was not an employee of the Federal Govt, or employed in the FEDERAL UNITED STATES, etc. This amounts to a face value of about 59K at this time. A lady called me back yesterday saying that if i would put my SSN# on the form, they would give me a check for all the money, if not then I would get this money minus 31 percent taken out for IRS regulation 3406, which is for taxpayers!!! I told her that they then would be compelling me to give them something for me to receive something that already belonged to me and had nothing to do with the IRS's regulations from the beginning!! I am wondering if I should go down to the county and quickly register a Pure Trust or a Common Law Trust, and have this check made out to the Trust!! Any comments? Tired of getting screwd by BB!!!

#6 10-31-2005, 05:13 AM

Thanks everyone for responses. The lady on the other end of the phone is just a person hired to do and say what they tell her to say. I was advised by a friend who also visits this site to sign my name in all caps printed, (strawman), then put by __my name in upper case and lower case letters, as authorized representative, and holder in due course, and that this shall cover me, if I have to relent and give the SSN#. I know that then they also send a 1099 along with that and then what? Are they going to come knocking on my door in 6 months saying, you owe us money?????

Livefire · #7 10-31-2005, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt

You can also claim religious freedom in that the SS# is the Mark of the Beast and that they are penalizing you 31% for not accepting the number of the BEAST.

Remember that religious objections don't have to make sense

Weis,

Sometimes I like to spell religion like this..... RE-LIEGE-ION or RE-LEGION,
They are always trying to get We the People to attach ourselves to their "liege" or become another faceless minion in the "legion" So many times THEY are the ones that dont make any sense.

liege: A lord or sovereign to whom allegiance and service are due according to feudal law. courtesy of dictionary.com

dadmoonbunny · #8 10-31-2005, 06:32 AM

You have the account data, the company name and the Ladies(sic) name. File a case against them in court for failure to provide funds owed you, misrepresentation as an authorized collection agent for taxes (can they show a letter or document where the IRS has ordered/authorized them to collect taxes?), and prejudice, as well as violation of contract(kinda straining it there)

Just my thoughts as the sun rises on all hallows eve.

weishaupt1776 · #9 11-10-2005, 08:07 AM

Type in "witholding agent"in quotes on google.

See people's research on that

Then type

site:irs.gov "witholding agent"

Come up w/affidavit w/default clause in negative avertment

affiant has not seen or been presented with any material fact or evidence that robot bitch is an authorized witholding agent pursuant to ______(laws, or stuff in the IRM)

summergarden · #10 11-22-2005, 06:55 AM

Look on the IRS website. If that "person" who is handling the annuity you've inherited has written to you about extorting 31%, she might be in for a big surprise because it the new withholding rate is 28%..... that is if the annuity is taxable. The one who left you the annuity had a lifetime exemption of more than $600,000 and anything under that amount in the estate is not taxable. I know that about 5 years ago it was that much. It may have gone up. I'm pretty sure that it did go up.

The estate is the taxable entity anyway (that is, if an inheritance is REALLY taxable)... not you! When there's a death and that certain form..... I forget if its the IRS SS-4 or Form 706 is allegedly, supposed to be filed. But you'll note on the allegedly required specific Form, that it asks for information as to when the business started. If an attorney is filling it out. He puts the date of death in that space. How about that? When you die, you go into a business. Gifts and inheritance left to a beneficiary are not taxable to the beneficiary. There's many things that aren't considered "income".

Summergarden