Witholding / Suing Employers

weishaupt1776 · #1 07-14-2005, 07:54 AM

This is the only solution left, folks. The tax honesty front has been beating a dead horse joining the IRS.

It's time to learn court procedure and tie employers up in court so that it costs them loads in attorney fees.

This would take a large volume of people doing it, so that employers get conditioned not to "roll over" like the catamites that they are

futop · #2 07-14-2005, 09:01 AM

Although I do not fully agree with how Chuck is dealing with the IRS, if I remember correctly from his yahoo group, they are suing either GM or Ford for withholding. I do not remember which one.

weishaupt1776 · #3 07-14-2005, 09:03 AM

Re: on Chuck.

However, he's got balls and heart for doing what he is doing

Smith · #4 07-14-2005, 05:44 PM

Time will tell if his methods work.

BOBT12 · #5 07-15-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

This is the only solution left, folks. The tax honesty front has been beating a dead horse joining the IRS.

It's time to learn court procedure and tie employers up in court so that it costs them loads in attorney fees.

This would take a large volume of people doing it, so that employers get conditioned not to "roll over" like the catamites that they are

This is what I am working on. If it works, great, if not I will still resist!

I love what Chuck is doing, I include his open letter to the IRS, with many of my responses to them. We need a few millon people doing this. I don't have $200 Billion to fight the IRS on my own, however, together We the People do!

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LAWMEN
presents
INDEX TO PAGES
STOPPING THE IRS FROM ILLEGALLY SEIZING PROPERTY,
ABUSING IT'S AUTHORITY,
ILLEGALLY COLLECTING TAXES,
TERRORIZING CITIZENS.

My old email address is down with a virus.
Please use lawmancharles@juno.com now.

Remember that the IRS is the largest terrorist organization in the world.

Open Letter To Mark Everson, IRS Commissioner ........CLICK HERE

http://cconces.tripod.com/

Check this out Mr. Smith:

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At any rate, the Credit Union owed it's highest duty to it's depositors with whom it has a contractual and fiduciary duty. In the instant situation, the BOULDER DAM CREDIT UNION breached that duty, to the injury of the Plaintiffs. This injury included loss of $289.04 and $577.89 (total $ 866.93) taken from Plaintiffs' accounts together with return check fees and late fees of $243.94.

The Credit Union's claim of immunity is misplaced. Per statute (26 U.S.C. section 6332 (e)) and case law cited by Defendant, a bank is provided immunity if it honors an IRS levy. However, in the instant case the Credit Union was merely sent a "Notice of Levy"; consequently. the law providing for immunity when releasing funds pursuant to a "Levy" is not applicable.

Therefore, the Plaintiffs are awarded judgment against the Defendant Boulder Dam Credit Union in the amount of $1,110 87 plus court costs incurred and prejudgment interest.

DATED this 19th day of May. 1998

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/levycase.htm

Ice · #6 07-15-2005, 01:23 PM

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"A matter adjudged; a thing jusicially acted upon or decided;" Epstein v. Soskin

"The sum and substance of the whole rule is that a matter once judicially decided is finally decided." Massie v. Paul, 263 Ky. 183, 92 S.W. 2d 11, 14.

The point? This matter has been decided... right? Therefore, any complaint or defense in regards this matter is res judicata (already/finally decided).

There is no wiggle room.

Ice

BOBT12 · #7 07-15-2005, 03:56 PM

Hold the IRS accountable, consider sending your own letter to Mr. Everson

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Dear Riverway,

Please keep in mind that we each must decide how we wish to fight tyranny, such as the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Each of us must decide which course of action works best for ourselves, based on the information at our disposal. It is my intent to provide as much useful information as possible, then you must make the final determination.

Please keep in mind that the IRS is currently a two trillion dollar a year beast, and those who are running the operation, as well as all others who may be benefiting from this scam that is today's IRS, may not be willing to stop stealing from the people (you and me) without a great deal of persuasion (maybe 70-80 million active resistors?). However,

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A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.-unknown

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Originally posted by Bing: Riverway, you might want to consider writing to:

Donald L. Korb, IRS Chief Counsel

Nicholas J. DeNovio, IRS Deputy Chief Counsel, Technical

Jonathan R. Zelnik, IRS Senior Counsel

John Klotsche, Senior Advisor to IRS Commissioner

Their address is:

IRS
1111 Constitution Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20224

One might write to one of the four IRS lawyers, and then also send notarized original triplicates to the other three.

Spread the love around.

Bing

I agree with Bing’s strategy ONE HUNDRED 100%! Thanks for the IRS attorney name list.

I want to add name(s) to the list however. Show Mr. Mark W. Everson, Commissioner, some love. Under IRS RESTRUCTURING ACT 1998 (RA1998) the IRS employees must give their full name, employee ID number, direct telephone number, under Act section 3503 (a). This is another reason to sue.

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Approval Process for Liens, Levies and Seizures

The Act direcs the Commissioner to determine situations in which an employee's decision to levy or seize a taxpayer's property should be reviewed by a supervisor. The Commissioner is also directed to adopt procedures which provide for disciplinary action in the event the review process is not followed. Act section 3421. The section is effective on the date of enactment, July 22, 1998, except for actions under an automated collection system, where the section is applicale to actions initiated after December 31, 2000. Act section 3421 ( c) (2).

Here is a sample letter:
Just a little somting to consider:

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Certified number: [XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX]

Mr. Mark W. Everson, Commissioner
Internal Revenue Service
1111 Constitution Ave. Room 3000
Washington, D.C. 20024

July 7, 2005

Re: Dispute of “tax” obligation owed

Dear Mr. Everson:

I am again in receipt of a number of suspicious demands. Since many of these papers do not bear a signature and are not accompanied by validating do***entation, I have no means to evaluate their integrity. I object to those under your direct supervision sending me threatening letters without clear identification of who sent the letter and their authority to do so. To enable me to determine whether the threatening letters are frauds, I request that you send me an assessment, signed under penalty of perjury, for each of the following years:, 20xx, and 20xx. If I do not hear from you within thirty (30) days of the verifiable receipt of this letter disputing a tax obligation for the years in question, I will reasonably conclude that there are no assessments for the years referenced and shall expect your internal investigation to determine who violated laws by sending the threatening letters and, I am also requesting a refund from the treasurer.

Kindly, release any and all Federal Tax Lien(s), Levy(s), and Notice of Levy(s).

Pursuant to Title 28, USC §1746(1) and executed "without the United States," I affirm under penalty of perjury under the laws of the united states of America that the foregoing is true and correct, to the best of my belief and informed knowledge. I now affix my signature to all of the above affirmations with EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL OF MY UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, WITHOUT PREJUDICE to any of those rights pursuant to U.C.C. 1-207 and U.C.C. 1-103.6

Thanking you in advance for respecting my right to DISPUTE A TAX OBLIGATION,
Citizen/Principal, by Special Appearance, in Propria Persona, proceeding Sui Juris

_______________________
WITNESSES

_______________________
WITNESSES

John W. Snow
U.S. Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220

Dennis L. Parizek, Manager, Examination Operations
Internal Revenue Service
Ogden, UT 84404

OGDEN SERVICE CENTER
TAXPAYER ADVOCATE
P.O. BOX 9941, STOP 1005
OGDEN, UT 84409

Director, Payment Compliance
Internal Revenue Service
1001 LIBERTY AVE
SUITE 1300
PITTSBURGH, PA 15222

The key, in my humble opinion (IMHO), is JURISDICTION! Filing for a Request for a Collection Due Process Hearing indicates that you are a taxpayer, and thus, enters you into the IRS's jurisdiction. You are granting the IRS/Tax Court jurisdiction, you thereby lose a very powerful position as a non-taxpayer. Then the battle becomes how much you should pay/owe, and somehow you then must prove that you don't owe the taxes that the IRS allege that you owe in their corrupt Tax Court. Also, I believe that this so-called court (more like an administrative hearing that forces you to give up all your rights in exchange for some hopeful privileges) bars (this may no longer be true under RA1998) you from taking your issue to any other (constitutional) court for appeals. I would rather be in the stronger position, and demand that the IRS prove that I owe anything in the first place, wouldn’t you?

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Prohibition on Requests to Taxpayers

The [RC1998]Act prohibits any U.S. officer or employee from requesting that a taxpayer waive the right to bring a civil action against the United States or any officer or employee thereof for any action taken in commection with the internal revenue laws. Act section 3468 ( a). [b]This prohibition does not apply where the taxpayer knowingly and voluntarily waives such right or where the request is make either in the presence of the taxpayer's attorney (or other federally authorized tax practitioner) or in writing to the taxpayer's attorney or other representative. Act section 3468 {b}.

Slight changes to section 3468 "b", and "a" due to code error. And sections are written out due to lack of symbols.

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh...st=0&#entry1238

The IRS has scam after scam waiting for the unwwary!

After 30 days you may wish to consider writing to John W. Snow, U.S. Treasury:

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Certified number: [XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX]

John W. Snow
U.S. Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220

July 7, 2005

Re: Request for Refund

Dear Mr. Snow:

I request that you refund all sums taken from me for “taxes.” Since agents purporting to represent the treasury have repeatedly refused to do***ent and verify that I am a taxpayer owing a tax, I am without a means to know how much of my money your agency has taken, for what alleged years or anything else. Since I am deprived of a means to know what your representatives want, I am simply asking that you refund all sums taken from me.

Pursuant to Title 28, USC §1746(1) and executed "without the United States," I affirm under penalty of perjury under the laws of the united states of America that the foregoing is true and correct, to the best of my belief and informed knowledge. I now affix my signature to all of the above affirmations with EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL OF MY UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, WITHOUT PREJUDICE to any of those rights pursuant to U.C.C. 1-207 and U.C.C. 1-103.6

Thanking you in advance for respecting my right to DISPUTE A TAX OBLIGATION,
Citizen/Principal, by Special Appearance, in Propria Persona, proceeding Sui Juris

_______________________
WITNESSES

_______________________
WITNESSES

Thanking you in advance for respecting my rights, respectfully,

Citizen/Principal, by Special Appearance, in Propria Persona, proceeding Sui Juris

Attn: Mr. Mark Everson, IRS Commissioner
Department of the Treasury
Internal Revenue Service
Atlanta, GA 39901-0010

For more information:

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...9912#post29912

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t...&highlight=CDPH

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...=7847#post7847

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh...st=0&#entry1049

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh...st=0&#entry1510

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...0&page=7&pp=10

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh...=227&hl=parizek

BOBT12

http://famguardian.org/forums/index....topic=473&st=0