Mail Fraud? - Page 2

#11 05-01-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nralien

Tora

I believe I understand it now.& After filing your Notice of Lawful Location with the county recorder and mailing a certified copy to the postmaster you...

PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH MAIL YOU WISH TO RECIEVE.

You send back all mail matter that comes from taxing agencies and...

You keep court, dmv, employer and the like.

CORRECT?
nralien

No.& Assuming the postmaster&accepts and obeys your Notice of Lawful Location, he is going to send back ALL of your mail that has a zip and has your name in&ALL CAPITAL LETTERS; you won't get to pick and choose, unless a piece of mail with your ALL CAP name slips by him.& When you receive the&mail that slipped by him, only then will you get to pick and choose.& Your Notice is going to return ALL of your mail&unless it is addressed the way you want it, remember?

If you are still&getting mail with your ALL CAP name after you have Noticed&the postmaster, then&you should put all of that mail in an envelope and send&it back to the&postmaster.& You might include&one of the sample letters I posted above -

You will have to send your Notice to&all&credit card, electric or phone&companies.&They may not take note of the change, and if you are not receiving bills after they have been Noticed to change your address,&you will have to remember to pay your bills or they will probably cut service off.&

nralien · #12 05-01-2004, 06:23 PM

Tora

Can&I file a&Notice of Lawful Location for the STRAWMAN?& A completely different location than the flesh and blood.

Or are you talking about no:
drivers license?
car registration?
communication with any court?

nralien

#13 05-01-2004, 07:54 PM

Can&I file a&Notice of Lawful Location for the STRAWMAN?&

No.& There is no lawful location for the strawman.& The STRAWMAN's mail is any address&other than&what's on your&Notice of&Lawful Location.& Any address with a zip code will do for the strawman's mail.

Or are you talking about no:
drivers license?
car registration?
communication with any court?

The items above will have to be changed to your new STAWMAN'S address because the DMV will not change the spelling of your name and it is doubtful they will leave the zip code out.& Once your drivers license address&is changed, it automatically changes&your&registration.

I can only tell you what I would do for court documents... and that is... I would use my lawful location for all court documents,&but they&are not likely to acknowledge your lawful&location and&instead put your name in&ALL CAPS.&You can&send a copy&of your Lawful Location&with&any communication to the court, and should you expect any communication from the court, you should be&alert to the fact that they&still may not&recognize your lawful location, even after you've noticed them.&You have to train them right, and that may take a few notices of lawful location being sent.

I hope this helps.

It seems like a lot of work.. but eventually you'll have everyone trained.

nralien · #14 05-01-2004, 08:36 PM

Tora

Other than <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">26 USC 7701 (A) (39) can you site your sources for the Notice of Lawful Location and Postmaster letter?

nralien

#15 05-01-2004, 10:55 PM

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Although jurisdiction is presumed to exist, the rule is that "once challenged, jurisdiction must be proved to exist before the court can proceed." Therefore, if defendants (virtually all of whom are unhappy to appear in court) [/i]can challenge and disprove either the court's subject matter or in personam jurisdiction the court is legally bound to stop prosecution.<o

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One of the challenges to in personam jurisdiction is based on impersonal status. Numerous arguments contend that certain details of your personal mailing address provide presumptive evidence that your status is that of a "person subject to" the Federal Government's jurisdiction. Depending on who you talk to, the damning evidence may be one or more of the following: zip code; two-letter state abbreviations (TX); your name in all-capital letters (JOHN DOE); or even your first or middle name abbreviated (John N. Doe) According to these arguments if a judge sees a sample of your address (on your driver's license for example) [/i]that contains any of these incriminating details the Judge can legally presume he has in personam Jurisdiction over your body and slap you around any way he likes.<o

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Each of us should understand our non-resident status regarding the IRS code. If we establish our proper Judicial location (not "address"), and permanently apply it to all future correspondence, we can escape the reach of the District of Columbia national administrative legal system, and remove ourselves from the national administrative powers of congress which are theoretically limited to the District of Columbia and U. S. possessions.<o

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Corporate government legally administers its private rules and regulations in its national capacity and jurisdiction through administrative law. Anyone found in a national area, evidenced by voluntary use of a ZIP code, and/or voluntary use of a 2-letter state abbreviation, is presumed to be liable for specific performance of those legal (but unlawful) rules and regulations that apply to persons residing in the United States, one of the States (territories/possessions) or the District of Columbia.<o

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nralien · #16 05-02-2004, 12:31 PM

Tora

Your post is great and I really appreciate you taking the time and explain it to me.

The reason I ask so many questions about this process is I have LOTS of experience going round with different entities in my upper-lower case name in addition to state and zip.

Under this plan how would you fill out your W-4 with an employer?

My experience with Traffic court is if they are unable to mail you at the address given at a traffic stop they will use your last address from DMV.& In that situation would you then take the STRAWMAN's correspondence and redirect them to your non-judicial address?

Can the location for all future correspondence in the Notice of Lawful Location be General Delivery?

nralien

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nralien · #18 05-02-2004, 06:48 PM

Tora

Thanks again!

There is one thing I really wonder about.& The SSN is really assigned to JOHN HENRY DOE, is it not?& John Henry Doe has no SSN.

It wouldn't be signed: Without Prejudice By John Henry Doe, Agent& -would it?

nralien

#19 05-02-2004, 07:38 PM

"There is one thing I really wonder about.& The SSN is really assigned to JOHN HENRY DOE, is it not?& John Henry Doe has no SSN."

EXACTLY! JOHN HENRY DOE is assigned to the SSN, and John Henry Doe has no SSN.

It wouldn't be signed: Without Prejudice By John Henry Doe, Agent& -would it?

I'm not so sure about the use of& 'without prejudice',&because if you have your UCC-1 with a& security agreement, you&pretty much reserved your rights, but it's up to you.

I would sign it like this:

By:& John Henry Doe,& for JOHN HENRY DOE&(I wouldn't use&'agent' or 'representative'. Instead, use 'for'.

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nralien · #20 05-02-2004, 08:27 PM

Tora

I will have to think about using the flesh-and-blood name with the STRAWMAN's SSN.

Thanks,
nralien