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Old 05-27-2004, 01:06 PM
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Some info for you to look at, may be of interest.& I was on a conference call last night with a gentleman who delights in fencing with the government, the IRS in particular.& He told about using the fine print and codes, regualtions etc that the IRS publishes AGAINST them with some fine tuned tactics.& This is not an endorsement, just something you may find interesting as I did.& He is gathering like-minded individuals and founded C.U.R.E.& Explanations can be had at his website www.us-usa.info& Because there IS a difference, He said!& Hurrah.&


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Old 05-27-2004, 05:11 PM
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As I have said many times before, if Title 26 has been repealed... then what "codes" does the IRS use?... and how can that be considered LAW?& And how can we fight back with NON-EXISTENT CODES?


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I don't wanna sound negative or defeatist, but it's what this guy isn't saying, and doesn't say, that really matters. You can write all the legally correct and perfect documents all day long, proving every bit of that stuff. First big problem is that you'll be hard-pressed to find an "employer" who'll "accept" such things.


Employers are THE big problem. They are in business to make "money," period. Anything and everything that interferes is to not only not be taken seriously, but to be completely avoided. Part of that process of making "money" is their absolute, unyielding, hell-bent belief that the are required to withhold income taxes, from everyone, period.


I used to believe they were afraid of the IRS. They aren't. They're having sex with 'em, that's all.


Have a look-see:<FONT size=2>


</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/economics.html</FONT>
<FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Fact Sheets: Taxes
Economics of Taxation
Taxes on Income


The earnings of both individuals and corporations are subject to income taxes. Most of the Federal Government's revenue comes from income taxes. <U>The personal income tax produces about five times as much revenue as the corporate income tax.</U></FONT><FONT size=2>


</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>http://www.cbpp.org/10-21-03tax.htm</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>


Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


The decline in income tax revenues as a share of the economy to its lowest level in more than six decades reflects a drop in both individual and corporate tax receipts. In 2003:
<UL>
<LI><U>Federal individual income taxes equaled 7.4 percent</U> of GDP. This is the lowest level since 1966. </LI>
<LI><U>Corporate income taxes were just 1.2 percent </U>of GDP. With the exception of the deep recession year of 1983, this is the lowest level since 1937. (A recent Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analysis discusses the fall in corporate income taxes in more detail.)</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></LI>[/list]</FONT><FONT size=2>


</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>http://www.itepnet.org/corp00an.pdf</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>


Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy



1311 L Street, NW • Washington, D.C. 20005 • (202) 737-4315


Who’s Paying Taxes—and Who’s Not



Although some of the 250 corporations in our study paid federal income taxes at or near the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate, the vast majority paid considerably less. Effective tax rates over the 1996-98 period ranged from a low of –9.9% for Goodyear to a high of 35.7 percent for Winn-Dixie and Paccar. Overall, for the 250 companies we analyzed, federal corporate income taxes over the three years averaged only 21.7 percent of U.S. pretax profits. The average effective tax rate on the 250 companies declined over the three years, from 22.9 percent of profits in 1996 to only 20.1 percent in 1998—far below the 35 percent statutory corporate tax rate.

Here are some startling statistics:
Forty-one of the 250 companies paid less than zero in federal income taxes in at least one year from 1996 to 1998. In the years they paid no income tax, these 41 companies reported a total of $25.8 billion in pretax U.S. profits.


But rather than paying $9 billion in federal income taxes, as the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury, totaling $3.2 billion. These companies’ "negative tax rates" meant that they made more money after taxes than before taxes
in those years.


Me again: The employer provides the slaves who fund the USA, Inc.& Business is not about to risk the free-ride it gets at our expense.


Have I mentioned, lately, that I hate BB, employers, and all agents operating on their collective behalf?


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My point being similar to Randy's -- we can write all the docs we want, but they can continue to ignore.& However, (BIG however) this guy has had success taking their own words and asking them to abide by them.. HE has even influenced changes in the W-4 and is working towards the 1099 -- He spoke on this.& The point being that if we all work towards a common goal, using a variety of legal, reliable tactics, we will in those infamous words "Wear the Bastards down!" I hope and anticipate.


So keep shooting at the Beast, and when it is weakened and compromised, we will be able to go in for the kill!


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Yeah, I like to use their own words agains them too... that's why I like the fact that Title 26 was repealed.& They wrote the damn law... and then repealed ALL OF IT.


Their words... not mine.


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Re:IRS fine print used against them

Actually Seeker,

That is the starting point. Repealed Title 26. Would this guy start there instead of fencing with them? IMHO, the more he plays by their rules--the more he is appearing to be under their jurisdiction.

He has a nice tactic to the game but, it seems that he is not playing his game but theirs. that is the scary part. Nice link though.
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What chapters of Title 26 are we referring to in the previous posts? I have only been able to find that chapters 4,5, 37, 38, and 45 have been repealed. See:



http://uscode.house.gov/title_26.htm



The inference I get from these posts is that the entire Title 26 has been repealed. Yes?



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I posted a thread in this section regarding this issue. Section 5 -- which deals with the obligations that were still to be collected at the time -- was not repealed so that the collection for the outstanding obligations could be collected. But... after that there is no income tax.



Search in this section for that particular thread.



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I forget where I saw it, but title 26 is not positive law---it is "special law"
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It was REPEALED...



Therefore: IT ISN'T LAW.


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