IRS tells wife's employer to screw her W4

[scottinalaska]

After a number of years of no 1040's being filed, the IRS is frustrated that all of their correspondence has been answered honorably and they still can't get a "taxpayer" signature.
Now the employer of my wife, a public school teacher, gets a notice to disregard her existing W4 and withhold as single and NO allowances. In the previous few years, it has been 8 allowances to minimize withholding and minimize waves at the School District Office.
Most of us know here that the W4 is voluntary and employment is not dependent on the form being filled out. But we also know that some 12 dollar an hour accountant will/can not look up this stuff and will not change her tune even if I show her the facts. Just reality, folks.
I have thought about requesting her existing W4 back since it has been declared invalid by the IRS. Thus, a W4 form would no longer be on file for her. I can then proceed to bury the School District Office with evidence that one is "not required to submit a W4 and you better disregard the IRS notice, because they don't have business with NONtaxpayers!" (good links anyone?)
The wife's notice is "signed" electronically with the title, "Operations Manager, Collection. The Employer's notice is NOT signed anywhere. (I asked for their notice and they gave it to me).
And not to clutter the original post up much more, but my other thought is to compose a similar letter UNsigned like the one received by the school office stating that "ONLY up to 8 allowances are allowed and disregard any greater amounts...." and secrete into the mail system allegedly from the IRS. No, not from the Post Office. I can simply put it on top of the accountant's other stuff that DID come from the Post Office in her private box in the staff room. This can be easily done, since the original IRS letter invites correspondence to dispute it. It wouldn't be unusual to get a letter like this in a month.
Since this is a paperdriven system, and people value paper more than people in this world(in a german accent, "Your papers!?"), it doesn't seem to unethical to give the accountant the tool she feels she needs to best serve my wife.
Thoughts on any parts of this ongoing battle?
thanks,
scottinalaska

[idknow]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

After a number of years of no 1040's being filed, the IRS is frustrated that all of their correspondence has been answered honorably and they still can't get a "taxpayer" signature.
Now the employer of my wife, a public school teacher, gets a notice to disregard her existing W4 and withhold as single and NO allowances. In the previous few years, it has been 8 allowances to minimize withholding and minimize waves at the School District Office.
Most of us know here that the W4 is voluntary and employment is not dependent on the form being filled out. But we also know that some 12 dollar an hour accountant will/can not look up this stuff and will not change her tune even if I show her the facts. Just reality, folks.
I have thought about requesting her existing W4 back since it has been declared invalid by the IRS. Thus, a W4 form would no longer be on file for her. I can then proceed to bury the School District Office with evidence that one is "not required to submit a W4 and you better disregard the IRS notice, because they don't have business with NONtaxpayers!" (good links anyone?)
The wife's notice is "signed" electronically with the title, "Operations Manager, Collection. The Employer's notice is NOT signed anywhere. (I asked for their notice and they gave it to me).
And not to clutter the original post up much more, but my other thought is to compose a similar letter UNsigned like the one received by the school office stating that "ONLY up to 8 allowances are allowed and disregard any greater amounts...." and secrete into the mail system allegedly from the IRS. No, not from the Post Office. I can simply put it on top of the accountant's other stuff that DID come from the Post Office in her private box in the staff room. This can be easily done, since the original IRS letter invites correspondence to dispute it. It wouldn't be unusual to get a letter like this in a month.
Since this is a paperdriven system, and people value paper more than people in this world(in a german accent, "Your papers!?"), it doesn't seem to unethical to give the accountant the tool she feels she needs to best serve my wife.
Thoughts on any parts of this ongoing battle?
thanks,
scottinalaska

To maintain honor, dont do anything that could result in dishonor.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

After a number of years of no 1040's being filed, the IRS is frustrated that all of their correspondence has been answered honorably and they still can't get a "taxpayer" signature.
Now the employer of my wife, a public school teacher, gets a notice to disregard her existing W4 and withhold as single and NO allowances. In the previous few years, it has been 8 allowances to minimize withholding and minimize waves at the School District Office.
Most of us know here that the W4 is voluntary and employment is not dependent on the form being filled out. But we also know that some 12 dollar an hour accountant will/can not look up this stuff and will not change her tune even if I show her the facts. Just reality, folks.
I have thought about requesting her existing W4 back since it has been declared invalid by the IRS. Thus, a W4 form would no longer be on file for her. I can then proceed to bury the School District Office with evidence that one is "not required to submit a W4 and you better disregard the IRS notice, because they don't have business with NONtaxpayers!" (good links anyone?)
The wife's notice is "signed" electronically with the title, "Operations Manager, Collection. The Employer's notice is NOT signed anywhere. (I asked for their notice and they gave it to me).
And not to clutter the original post up much more, but my other thought is to compose a similar letter UNsigned like the one received by the school office stating that "ONLY up to 8 allowances are allowed and disregard any greater amounts...." and secrete into the mail system allegedly from the IRS. No, not from the Post Office. I can simply put it on top of the accountant's other stuff that DID come from the Post Office in her private box in the staff room. This can be easily done, since the original IRS letter invites correspondence to dispute it. It wouldn't be unusual to get a letter like this in a month.
Since this is a paperdriven system, and people value paper more than people in this world(in a german accent, "Your papers!?"), it doesn't seem to unethical to give the accountant the tool she feels she needs to best serve my wife.
Thoughts on any parts of this ongoing battle?
thanks,
scottinalaska

So let me see if I have this straight. Over the years your wife, unable to successfully terminate a W-4 agreement with her "employer", has been claiming 8 exemptions and not filing a return? I imagine she has received some collection letters to which she responded with some sort of rebuttal letters, so now the IRS is trying to go around her by having her "employer" change the W-4 agreement to the maximum withholding? How long was she claiming the 8 allowances before they finally took this recent action?

[scottinalaska]

SlavenoMore,
You have it correct. And she has received a few letters. Not many actually. I have received the lion's share and haven't worked any significant W4 kinda jobs like she has for the past 5 years.
She has filed for 8 exemptions for 3 years now.
Of course this letter stresses her out, as it now involves someone besides her husband and his "nutty" correspondence with the vIpeRS.
scottinalaska

[masterduke]

Scott, You have got to calm and protect your wife with everything you have! Women under stress from Garbage like this is not a good thing. They can become ill or devolp depression and other sorts of actual medical problems by exposure to an outside stress such as this. That is why, biblically, God took Adams "rib" and made the woman, so she would be under the protection of her husbands arm. I can assure you the founders of the irs are in a deep, dark, superhot, suffucating, tiny little space, screaming to be forgiven at this very moment! Its too late for them. What about Data Flanking them? Devolping the remedy that you want? Yes I am only beginning to learn this stuff myself, but it would seem applicable. You and your wife are in our prayers.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by masterduke

Scott, You have got to calm and protect your wife with everything you have! Women under stress from Garbage like this is not a good thing. They can become ill or devolp depression and other sorts of actual medical problems by exposure to an outside stress such as this. That is why, biblically, God took Adams "rib" and made the woman, so she would be under the protection of her husbands arm. I can assure you the founders of the irs are in a deep, dark, superhot, suffucating, tiny little space, screaming to be forgiven at this very moment! Its too late for them. What about Data Flanking them? Devolping the remedy that you want? Yes I am only beginning to learn this stuff myself, but it would seem applicable. You and your wife are in our prayers.

Duke is quite correct, fear and stress do manifest themselves physically!

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

SlavenoMore,
You have it correct. And she has received a few letters. Not many actually. I have received the lion's share and haven't worked any significant W4 kinda jobs like she has for the past 5 years.
She has filed for 8 exemptions for 3 years now.
Of course this letter stresses her out, as it now involves someone besides her husband and his "nutty" correspondence with the vIpeRS.
scottinalaska

Thanks for the reply. Actually, part of my previous post, which I edited out, was that filing Exempt usually only worked for about 3 years or so, but I didn't figure that filing 8 exemptions would eventually get them after you unless, and this seems to be your case, you didn't file a return. For those that do file returns and claim such high exemptions, obviously they better show accountability or they would most likely be pegged for an audit eventually and sought for tax cheating.

Is the IRS after your wife for not filing returns then, or just trying to get her "employer" to withhold the maximum so that the IRS can steal the money whether she files or not? If it is the latter, the IRS has no choice but to scare the "employer" into line. The bottom line is that the reporting is the key and your "employer" holds this key in their hands. Becuase if there is no reporting, there can be no money trail and thus no radar screen blip. It is that simple. For example, I knew a few "starving college students" in college who painted houses, mowed lawns, etc., and got paid in cash for the job. Why didn't the IRS come after them? No reporting of any income, it's that simple.

[scottinalaska]

MD,
Thanks for the prayers and encouragement. You are right about the physical toll. The wife has told me she feels absolutely sick to her stomach about the letter and the perceived "judgement" from on high(the School District Office) and feels maybe if she buries herself in her work, she'll feel better. She IS a MOST valuable worker, special Ed teacher, and is known in the state of Alaska well and sought after for advice because she is SO good with teaching kids and knowing the law(heck, she sees it as her paid ministry!).
Slavenomo,
She has got a few "Notices" the past couple of years asking her to get those forms in and if she does, they would be so kind as to waive the penalties for her. She(I) has conditionally accepted their notices, thanked them for them and requested more info via certified mail and notarized. Of course no more info is forth coming, just another notice saying, "You know you owe, please file." Two months ago, she finally got a notice stating that they had taken the liberty of filling out a form FOR her(how kind) and if she would just sign the waiver, they could begin collections(really!). Her alternative was to "Petition the Tax Court" in Washington DC. We have made an honorable "refused for cause" and told them neither options were going to be taken. see thread - http://www.suijuris.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6258
Flanking them(The school District) with data is nice, but I doubt seriously that that will change their attitude. If I were to try and get her off of the IRS screen, AND if I were going for broke with a supposed letter FROM the IRS, perhaps I would word it:
"Until your charge(she no longer qualifies as an employee) files a new W4, you have no further obligation to withhold until we further notify you. We will be handling this tax matter directly with SS holder #******. All forms such as 1099's or W4's are no longer required for this particular charge in your system. An exemption has been granted. Please make a note of this on her file and keep a copy of this in her records. Enclosed is a copy of this letter to be mailed certified to her as well." etc. etc with notes to IRS code, etc.
Perhaps commands from "on high" the school District accountant may listen to. I have a few weeks to work this out. What a kick that you guys get to learn while I burn! Well, let's keep it at the learning level for now!
scottinalaska

[idknow]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Is the IRS after your wife for not filing returns then, or just trying to get her "employer" to withhold the maximum so that the IRS can steal the money whether she files or not? If it is the latter, the IRS has no choice but to scare the "employer" into line. The bottom line is that the reporting is the key and your "employer" holds this key in their hands. Becuase if there is no reporting, there can be no money trail and thus no radar screen blip. It is that simple. For example, I knew a few "starving college students" in college who painted houses, mowed lawns, etc., and got paid in cash for the job. Why didn't the IRS come after them? No reporting of any income, it's that simple.

so teach the "children" well that unless the company which your wife works for does business with a fed, there is no "income"/profit

wages and compensation in exchange for labor does NOT qualify as "taxable income" under the IRC

[rottweiler]

scottinalaska,

Did you ever read the little book called "AreYouLostAtC"? It is available online somewhere for free and I have it. Squirrel posted a link to it a year ago on sui juris. The author claims(correctly) that when people whose property is seized by the IRS try to sue that puts them in the wrong jurisdiction and places the burden of proof on you instead of where it belongs, on the IRS. The moving party(you)then has the burden of proof and it almost impossible for you to win that way. What the IRS did is just like a warship would do to a merchantship on the high seas. It would simply seize the res(thing) since no court is nearby and they are afraid you would sail away never to show again. Now you have to do a what is called a "liable of review" in the admiralty jurisdiction. Since the IRS did not get a court order before they grabbed your property(wages) it will be returned if you want it bad enough.

We need to use the minds that God gave us and use proper tactics. The luciferians are just using attorney tricks on us. Do your homework and you will find the info you need to win.