Tax Statement

Chinese Panda · #1 01-23-2006, 06:57 AM

I think I want to file a tax statement this year, after I ask the IRS for Notice that I need to keep books and records and file a tax return.

Can we discuss the pros and cons of this? Also, can somebody give me a concrete example of one they would use or has used in the past?

Chinese Panda · #2 01-28-2006, 06:39 PM

Hmmmm. Nobody wanted to talk about this? OK, then let me ask some simple questions. There is a "Commercial Affadavit" here in the Downloads section. It looks good, but why I have to be the "Secured Party" in it? And why do I have to swear on my Commercial Liability? Why can't I just be John Q. Citizen and state the facts.

1. I did receive checks which I desposited in the bank and redeemed for Federal Reserve Notes, or bank credits.
(Since I really have never read any cases that tell me what "income is")

2. I did receive interest FRN's and credits.

3. The Amount of the checks I received that year was (blah) "dollars".

(And then use the rest of the Affadavit).

Weis, care to share an example here?

weishaupt1776 · #3 01-28-2006, 07:06 PM

Before you get started in the tax game, make sure that you have your car and house each in a seperate non-statutory trust organization. (Massachussettes Trust/Pure Trust/Common Law Trust). If you don't do this you will be very, very sorry no matter how sly you present your response letters, etc . . .
If you are financing and don't own outright, get an LLC to take over and have the trusts put liens on the LLC. PM me about this

You asked me for help on this issue, and the only issue is cover your A$$et$ !!!

All of these sly commercial affidavits and Chris Hansen response letters with 4 FRNS will get you a latte' at Starbucks

charlesa6 · #4 01-28-2006, 07:26 PM

Good Advice, weis. That is the way to-go.

scottinalaska · #5 01-28-2006, 08:32 PM

CP,
I too have heard that SOME kind of statement should be filed, thus fulfilling your "obligation." I would NOT use the 1040 statement form of course. But making a statement with some kind of note to the effect of, "I am endeavoring to fulfill your request that I submit a tax statement for the year 2005. If I have done something that is not within the code _____[you are obviously referring to a section that I haven't read recently!], please notify me within 30 days so that I may correct it. If I do not hear from you in 30 days, I will assume that the attached is sufficient. Thank you for your time. CP.
There are so many takes on this, CP, some work by accident and some work for real, some don't work at all. If you could really successfully change your IMF, you could fall off of their radar.
They are resisting me right now and will not let me know the agent who qualified me as a Virgin Islands resident. They actually say, "Please tell us the name of the agent whose document locator code this refers to so that we can tell you if it is indeed the agent you are looking for...." Hell, this is pretty much what I asked! Idiots! And these idiots are the ones allowing the computers to spit out notices to stress out my family.
Weis' advice is heavy. If all you can do right now is minimize your bank account, do it! But you'll get a year of ease before the notices really chase you has been my experience.
well, there are some thoughts and a rant!
scottinalaska

Scott6454 · #6 01-29-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by scottinalaska

CP,
Weis' advice is heavy. If all you can do right now is minimize your bank account, do it! But you'll get a year of ease before the notices really chase you has been my experience.
well, there are some thoughts and a rant!
scottinalaska

Sad to hear this Scott. What has been your experience if I may ask? If you would rather answer in private that is fine by me.

Scott6454

scottinalaska · #7 01-29-2006, 04:00 PM

So we may all be enlightened, I am happy to share much of my experience. Ask me a specific question about my "experience" and I'll give it to you/the forum.
So far, nothing has been levied on the bank account and it has been 4 years. I keep it under a 1000 and have another friend with a different last name than me on the account too. I am told the IRS does not want to deal with possibly taking someone else's money, so it was an easy insurance move there. I figure when the lien comes, my wife will more than freak.
As I am getting ready to approach her employer about an IRS note they received, she shared with me last night that she'd rather die a tortuous death than go to jail or see me go to jail, or have "everyone" know that we don't pay taxes.
I blew it here. Four years ago I realized that we were not taxpayers. I should have simply dropped out MYSELF. Instead I took her with me. Now she gets notes from the viPeRS and I quietly deal with them(quite an evolution of responses, though, believe me!). That has been barely tolerable. But now that I am having to go "public" with it, she is dying.

As I understand though, once you leave the system, rejoining it can be expensive monetarily. So I am faced with a dilemma I didn't anticipate: What if she wanted back in to find some peace?

Well, some thoughts
s

idknow · #8 01-30-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by scottinalaska

So we may all be enlightened, I am happy to share much of my experience. Ask me a specific question about my "experience" and I'll give it to you/the forum.
So far, nothing has been levied on the bank account and it has been 4 years. I keep it under a 1000 and have another friend with a different last name than me on the account too. I am told the IRS does not want to deal with possibly taking someone else's money, so it was an easy insurance move there. I figure when the lien comes, my wife will more than freak.
As I am getting ready to approach her employer about an IRS note they received, she shared with me last night that she'd rather die a tortuous death than go to jail or see me go to jail, or have "everyone" know that we don't pay taxes.
I blew it here. Four years ago I realized that we were not taxpayers. I should have simply dropped out MYSELF. Instead I took her with me. Now she gets notes from the viPeRS and I quietly deal with them(quite an evolution of responses, though, believe me!). That has been barely tolerable. But now that I am having to go "public" with it, she is dying.

As I understand though, once you leave the system, rejoining it can be expensive monetarily. So I am faced with a dilemma I didn't anticipate: What if she wanted back in to find some peace?

Well, some thoughts
s

well, what I know is that there is no peace from the world or its ways; ask your wife to seek the Lord for it. (and you also)

As for your propertyy, if the vipers can prove that the property in the bank is yours i'm sure they wont hesitate to take it.

what I can do is pray for you folks.

#9 02-08-2006, 02:33 PM

Greetings all!

I hope this post finds all well and in good spirt.

ScottInAlaska - I share your dilemma. However, I know the system to be a lie, and I cannot live it. And, as you point out, the monetary "penalties" for "rejoining" it are huge - to the point where I doubt one would ever be rid of them between new "taxes" to be "paid" and the penalties/back taxes as well...

Remember, true remedy does NOT lie within the system. One must be fully without the system.

Unlike the Matrix, you can't be reinserted and your identity/memories replaced...

If I knew then what I know today, I would have stayed in the system until my ducks were in a row and then exited. As it stands, my ducks were phantoms and not properly lined up...

Sincerely,

/s/ Jon C. Munson II

scottinalaska · #10 02-08-2006, 02:50 PM

jmunson,
Good to see you back. You are right about getting your ducks in a row FIRST. Herding ducks after the fact can be exhausting!
I have given my wife the choice now. If she decides she wants back in for "convenience" "comfort" "peace" "no more letters" then I told her I would do my best to do that, to honor her.
It is hard because I know that I will be shirking my financial responsibilities to the family in the process because I predict if we keep sending money with every IRS bill, we will have sold everything before too long. Actually, maybe they will just take it once we admit she is a taxpayer for them.
I am hoping she will make the choice to say, "Let's go get those vIpeRS! I trust you." But right now she needs to hear that I love her above even my passionate fight for truth.
I'll have an answer within the week. I appreciate your prayers, especially you women out there.
scottinalaska