Accept For Value or Commercial Lien during IRS Audit

OK, now I am even more confused.


I understand where you are all coming from when you say there is no "advice" being dispensed and I would not expect any legal advice.

However, I did learn something regarding Commercial Lien from this site and would like to know if someone is willing share some experiences about it.

Well, I know where you guys are coming from so if no one is willing to share I do understand - but anyone who can give me a little direction and hope would make a lot of difference for me.

Thanks again.

[rottweiler]

BabaHump, I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner.
I will make sure you get the free book and understand it.
Please do not make any judgments until you have read it.
If you fall for the "paytriot" arguments you may as well listen to J. R. Beaner and do what the IRS tells you or you are toast.

If you cut and paste the following into google it would be the third one from the top.
[PDF] C:\Documents and Settings\Victoria Rivera\Local Settings\Temporary ...
It takes a minute, even more if you do not have cable.
This one should work also:
http://www.notaryprotest.com/AreYouLostAtC.pdf

I have to go now, will post more later on this thread.



http://www.notaryprotest.com/AreYouLostAtC.pdf

Originally Posted by BabaHump

Hi Rottweiler,

Found the site http://www.notaryprotest.com but it seems that particular pdf file is no longer there or is corrupt... would you have a copy or know somewhere else I may download it? I searched in Google already.

Thanks again!

[rottweiler]

Originally Posted by kmcarr

Is this the PDF you are looking for?

Thank you kmcarr. I did not see this until just now. That book is worth it's weight in gold!

[rottweiler]

JRB, have you read AreYouLostAt"C" or are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

Can you show me just one thing in that book that is in error?

Do you admit that the IRS is moving in the A/M?
Yes or No.

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

The short answer is NO. The entities that have been promoting tax schemes are gradually being taken down and their promoters put in prison for giving "advice" about what can be done.

The people who have "successfully" dealt with the IRS are your day-to-day, ordinary CPA's and other legitimate tax professionals, not the promoters of various schemes and sellers of "secrets."

Find a reputable tax professional who does not espouse whacko theories about the legitimacy of the IRC, the Federal Reserve, etc., etc.

You're welcome.

Rottweiler,

Thank you for the assistance. At least I got some direction. I am skeptical of "paytriot" schemes and skeptical of lawyers (even skeptical of what I've learned) hence the confusion

I've downloaded the AreYouLostAtC book and am reading it in detail.

I'm also reading Mary Croft's eBook I hope that is worthwhile...

Thanks again.

[rottweiler]

You have maybe the two best books I have ever read besides The Holy Scripture. You may need to read AreYouLostAt"C' multiple times to understand it because it is complicated. It even has the Admiralty rules.

Originally Posted by BabaHump

Rottweiler,

Thank you for the assistance. At least I got some direction. I am skeptical of "paytriot" schemes and skeptical of lawyers (even skeptical of what I've learned) hence the confusion

I've downloaded the AreYouLostAtC book and am reading it in detail.

I'm also reading Mary Croft's eBook I hope that is worthwhile...

Thanks again.

Guys,

Thanks for the link to the AreYouLostAtC.PDF file. It reminded me that I already knew what to do but was temporarily blind-sighted by the IRS. I study and meditate upon Buddha's and Christ's teachings and this eBood really resonated with me and made me realize that I already knew what to do. Thanks, I needed that reminder.

(1) One may not serve more than one master
(2) Suffering is caused by attachment - especially to illusion
(3) Suffering is further compounded by emotions created by such attachment
(4) IRS and its activities are all illusions both within and with-out me.
(5) "What do I do?" is not the first question one should first ask... "What is the Truth?" must come before, then appropriate actions presents themselves.
(6) By Truth I do not mean whether the court is operating under Admirality / Maritime Law or Common Law, Equity or whatever. Nor do I mean if tax returns are voluntary. Those are Relative Truths. While important the understanding of them alone will not set us free or even allow us to act in confidence. Seeing the Absolute Truth, seeing beyond our own ego-creations will shake off our fear of the realistic illusions.

Thanks guys.

Ooops, I really meant Mary Elizabeth: Croft's ebook. Sorry. But AReYouLostAtC is great too! A Must-Read.

[rottweiler]

Yes indeed! After you read AreYouLostAt"C" you will understand why guys like Schiff are in prison. You do have to hand it to those Paytriots. No matter how many of their students bank accounts are stripped, have wages taken, have tax court loses or US District Court loses while trying to prove a negative they keep on trying the same thing over and over. Just like the sheeple they were before they go with the herd. One thing they have in their favor is there are millions of non-filers and the Feds tend to target the high profile ones for prison time. The Feds are not dummies, they will allow a few rare wins to throw you off.

Income is a corporate profit. The children of the Creator are free but the Income tax is a excise tax on a thing!
If your strawman is in commerce it owes that tax! Having said that the IRS still needs to follow their law. When you start using frivolous tax protestor arguments they will just seize "your property". That is your chance to have a judge review if the IRS did it properly. But you must stay in the same jurisdiction as the IRS which is the A/M and you must not use frivolous arguments!

Originally Posted by BabaHump

Ooops, I really meant Mary Elizabeth: Croft's ebook. Sorry. But AReYouLostAtC is great too! A Must-Read.

Hello Rottweiler

Up to this point I've not made any argument with the agent. I merely ask them to answer my questions point for point. My questions are regarding several items in IRC, Social Security Act, Paperwork Reduction Act, Privacy Act, Tax Payer's Bill of Right among a few others which the agent did not follow during this whole "audit" process.

Although I did not accuse him of "breaking" rules or laws, but my questions were to ask him to present to me if he or the IRS are exempt from those codes I sited. This was all done in an affidavit format ("I am not in possession of...") If he can show me, then I will agree with his audit process.

Of course, he can't and he is presenting me with the "Changes" unsigned. I think I am simply going to continue to ask him to present the same material especially on the fact that perhaps he is not required to follow the IRC. If he can show me that he is not required to follow IRC then I will accept his audit result. If he is required to follow the IRC then he needs to sign under penalty of purjury that he and managers have followed the IRS and all the statutes and codes passed by Congress regarding. I think I might state that if he does not sign then he is at default and is presumed to agree.

My point is to simply stay and stick to the original point of showing me that he/IRS has followed the rules (IRC etc) instead reacting to each new opportunity for argument they may present. They may not like the truth, they may "yell" at the truth, but eventually the truth will be self-evident even in court as long as I do not stray from the truth - I hope!

I don't know if I should also mention that if he agrees to sign that he has followed all IRC and other relevant codes just as he expected me to (otherwise why would he audit the 1040's I filed?) if I should mention that he agrees to be personally liable for damages done if he did in fact NOT follow the IRC.

What do you think? Suggestions and constructive criticism requested (please dont just tell me I'll end up in Jail... not helpful. )

Thanks!