working as a us national

[mystic one]

when we go for employment they ask your citizenship status. do you have a legal right to work in the us blah blah blah.

how could you be employed if you checked the box that said national. if you claim national then you dont have to submit ss/ bc/ or any adhesive contracts?

how would you get around the "legal" pragmatics?

legal only implies us citizen.. anyone else that wants to work and doesnt check the us citizen box is considered illegal.. well unless you have a visa as a foreigner as something. any practical application for this/???

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mystic one

when we go for employment they ask your citizenship status. do you have a legal right to work in the us blah blah blah.

how could you be employed if you checked the box that said national. if you claim national then you dont have to submit ss/ bc/ or any adhesive contracts?

how would you get around the "legal" pragmatics?

legal only implies us citizen.. anyone else that wants to work and doesnt check the us citizen box is considered illegal.. well unless you have a visa as a foreigner as something. any practical application for this/???

for a non-federal civil servant, the proper answer would be to write the name of land upon which one was born

ie, I am a New Yorker.

[mystic one]

so its perfectly legal to say im a new yorker, like you claimed, or just trying to mr. funny man as usual?

usually if you dont provide 2 proofs of us citizenship they wont even let you work there..

so if your going to take that route and exclaim im a national, im a new yorker or whatever you said, you better be able to back it up, because they will want some type of documenation if your national, since buearcrcy is obsessed with having some type of paperwork on file , even if your a national. if you could be more specific and not throw one-liners that would be great.... that last statement was not very specific at all, please substantiate how you will fill out the form and provide corresponding document about the legality of you saying national, for an employer

[weishaupt1776]

U.S. Citizens are also U.S. NAtionals. ; so U.S. National status isn't a good one to volunteer for.

8 USC 1401

State Nationality (American nationality) is the way to go. As far as an in the box type gig as an "employee", one must be prepared to sue the business based on a discrimination lawsuit. Damages must be delineated most thoroughly for an effective cause of action

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mystic one

so its perfectly legal to say im a new yorker, like you
claimed, or just trying to mr. funny man as usual?

usually if you dont provide 2 proofs of us citizenship they wont even let you
work there..

so if your going to take that route and exclaim im a national, im a new yorker
or whatever you said, you better be able to back it up, because they will want
some type of documenation if your national, since buearcrcy is obsessed with
having some type of paperwork on file , even if your a national. if you could
be more specific and not throw one-liners that would be great.... that last
statement was not very specific at all, please substantiate how you will fill
out the form and provide corresponding document about the legality of you
saying national, for an employer

well, i see used no smileys

seriously, the proper nomenclature for my citizenship is `new yorker' as named
in some Act of Congress and which I believe was excerpted here in some post.

I would use the world "national" at all.

as for "backing it up", well the accuser would have to prove fraud in some
court if i were to agree to join the action and the court.

The point of this site is to eschew agreeming to govt terms for benefit.

i am finished filing forms with the government.

I am also finished being some employee/slave of some corporation.

I seek the righteousness of God first, he does the rest.

thanks for the post.

[KaosTheory]

I agree with Weis about State Nationality. Also a person born in a state of the Union is NOT a "U.S. national" under 8 U.S.C. §1408, but a "national" under 8 U.S.C. §1101(a)(21) and/or 8 USC §1101(a)(22)(B).

8 U.S.C. §1101(a)(21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawA...yANational.pdf

Page 5 also discusses how the U.S. does not fit the definition of being a Nation.


“Waivers of Constitutional rights not only must be voluntary, but must be knowing, intelligent acts done with sufficient awareness of the relevant circumstances and likely consequences.” [Bradu v. U.S., 397 U.S. 742 (1970)]