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Thanks for the reply AndyK. One of the other posters seem to suggest that the ticket/photo couldn't be contested. However, if that is not the case, then it changes the issue.
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04-06-2006, 08:34 PM
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Ummm......
Why not use ticketslayer, should work for this type of citation as well. You're challenging their in personam jurisdiction in the matter, not the facts surrounding the case!
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04-07-2006, 12:32 AM
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for speeding not red light
Its not for a Red light its for speeding they said the camera radar said I was going 58 13 miles over the speed limit 45. I have 30 days to make a 50 dollar payment. i will upload ticket later have to go to work. They admit they dont know who was driving.
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04-07-2006, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hAKEEM
Its not for a Red light its for speeding they said the camera radar said I was going 58 13 miles over the speed limit 45. I have 30 days to make a 50 dollar payment. i will upload ticket later have to go to work. They admit they dont know who was driving.
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No points against your license -- just a $50 fine.
Time to pick your battles. Is the amount of time (vacation from work or lost pay) and effort you'll have to do to fight this worth $50 asuming that you will win?
Finally, remember that you'll probably get a $25 parking ticket while you spend half a day in traffic court. |
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No points against your license -- just a $50 fine.
Time to pick your battles. Is the amount of time (vacation from work or lost pay) and effort you'll have to do to fight this worth $50 asuming that you will win?
Finally, remember that you'll probably get a $25 parking ticket while you spend half a day in traffic court.
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Yep!! no doubt.
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04-08-2006, 07:32 AM
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Introducing AndyK...
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Originally Posted by AndyK
I never said that the ticket couldn't be contested.
I merely explained how the process works.
Just like any other ticket, it can be contested. However, given that there is a photograph of the car, the license plate, and the red light; it will be a hard case to beat.
One of the most successful approaches has been to compare the speed limit with the length of time the light stays yellow. It is somesimes possible to prove that the signal doesn't give enough time for a car to stop before the light turns red.
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http://www.suijuris.net/forum/members/andyk.html
http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/p...wprofile&u=413
Point being I have debated with AndyK in the Quatloos Insultinator. He would say something like this:
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The ticket isn't issued against a person -- it's against the vehicle.
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And in the same breath deny that the action is in rem (against the thing) in admiralty (gold fringed flag/Law of the Flag).
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Plates.jpg
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Notice.jpg
Or as wserra (Wesley Serra who should be migrating here to suijuris about now too) put it, "An in rem action that only tracks the admiralty rules.", something like that... (attached; the right-middle attorney).
http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/p...wprofile&u=195
I imagine you Readers may be beginning to understand why I spent so much time over there. Tacit admissions like that are priceless!
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04-08-2006, 02:26 PM
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Mr. Merrill accuses me of being a member of the Quatloos forum.
Guilty as charged.
He goes on to try and put a spin on the simple statements I made.
I would reply to his comments, but I don't understand the point he is trying to make.
My previous opinion, repeat OPINION, stands as stated: The particular photo-ticket in issue is a strictly financial issue. The choice to fight it, or not, boils down to a philosophical and/or financial issue.
Are one's principles at stake to the point of risking a significant financial setback if one fails to prevail worth more than the $50 cost of reserving the right to fight a more significant battle in the future?
I don't see how gold-fringed flages enter into that decision at all.
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Look I know its only 50 dollars but I was just asking anyone who had some experience with photo speeding. DC admit they dont know who was driving I can make a photo just like that and send it to anyone. But I like fighting hey it will cost me another 50 dollars if I loose. But I was readin a article some where about these photo red lights and speeding cameras who really is behind them cant find the article. OK MY POINT IS I need all you gurus to put your minds at work what stands would you take.. This is a good way we can come together and stop all this name calling and useless energy. I was thinking is this an offer like contract Should I reject it and sign UCC 1-207 blah blah. It says DC Photo Enforcement nothing about Police just like a parking ticket. The law authorizing automated traffic enforcement in the District of Columbia can be found in the DC Official Code (Division VIII, Title 50, Subtitle VII, Chapter 22, Subchapter 5).
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04-09-2006, 09:32 AM
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Well Hakeem, the one thing I will say is, if you do not contest, it will likley still cost only 50 dollars so, one route I would consider is the ts(ticket slayer) route.
You already know that video enforcement is coming from the same people that use people to do the enforement.
I say that based what I have now read for myself and that of others just recently.
Not legal advice, just a thought.
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Thanks well I was thinking they gave me an offer and to respond within 30 days. I was going to reject the offer sign all rights.
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