Deception Starts Here

[PANICPASS]

Collectively taxes must be paid for Congress to continuing borrowing. That's the only reason why we must pay taxes.

Now, Lawdog, be a good little dog, and pay your taxes.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

BobT12 wrote:

It would be wise to rebut the "presumption"

And "what if" you didn't rebut the presumption?

What if you send an Affidavit of Probable Cause [for various crimes] to IRS employees you believe committed a crime against you and they never rebutted that Affidavit? What are the chances anything is going to happen to them for not rebutting your Affidavit?

Well if you fail to rebut, you may lose your issue by default. This same principal is it work in other situations, such as credit issue, this is why you should send a VoD in order to rebut the presumption that you owe something that you do not.

Suing corrupt IRS employees should be possible in theory, however, the corrupt courts will often dismiss your issue. Additionally, many of the notices one gets are not signed, so it is difficult to name someone to sue. Unsigned letters should not have any legal value. Further, IRS employees should sign official documents under penalty of perjury, they don't.

Remember, the IRS is out to rob you, so Cover Your Assets (CYA).

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

And besides, IRS doesn't rebut anything, so why should we have to, or feel we have to? They never have rebutted anything, and they most likely never will.

True.

This is because the IRS is the one trying to establish the presumption with their phoney notices, many just pay whatever appears to be demanded (scam).

However, once you rebut the presumption, if the IRS doesn't respond, then you are in a stronger position if the IRS takes action against you at a later time.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by UGA Lawdog

If you want to know where in the law it says federal income taxes must be paid, sections 1, 61 and 63 of title 26 of the U.S. Code is a good place to start.

And there are plenty of places on the web, with citations to statutes and case law, that explain the ins and outs of federal income taxes.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

and

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

are good places to start. However, it's my experience that people like you don't like, and in many cases refuse to accept, the answers.


The Lawdog

These document are misleading and unofficial . Why doesn't Mark Everson, IRS Commissioner; or the IRS's attorneys sign the documents under penalty of Perjury to make them official?

United States Code
TITLE 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
SUBTITLE F - PROCEDURE AND ADMINISTRATION
CHAPTER 61 - INFORMATION AND RETURNS
SUBCHAPTER A - RETURNS AND RECORDS
PART IV - SIGNING AND VERIFYING OF RETURNS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS

U.S. Code as of: 01/22/02

Section 6065. Verification of returns

Except as otherwise provided by the Secretary, any return,
declaration, statement, or other document required to be made under
any provision of the internal revenue laws or regulations shall
contain or be verified by a written declaration that it is made
under the penalties of perjury.

Emphasis added.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...le=26&sec=6065

Check here for more information:

Rebutted version of the IRS "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments"

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showforum=19

[PANICPASS]

However, once you rebut the presumption, if the IRS doesn't respond, then you are in a stronger position if the IRS takes action against you at a later time.


But do they save your correspondence? What do they do with your correspondence it after they read it? They never refer to what you last sent them when they send their notices. Its always as if they never received anything. I recently rebutted their $500 penalty. I didn't get the penalty but what I got was a Late penalty with interest for a total of $996.54. That's what their response to my rebuttal was. Is that criminal or what?

I always respond. They never like.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

However, once you rebut the presumption, if the IRS doesn't respond, then you are in a stronger position if the IRS takes action against you at a later time.


But do they save your correspondence? What do they do with your correspondence it after they read it? They never refer to what you last sent them when they send their notices.

Well I mail my documents certified. However, as long as use a competent thrid party, it should be sufficient.

The IRS often, although not always, give me a 45 day notice. In the notice they will acknowledge receiving my documents, and make statements, regarding my letter, that they will review my documents and get back to me in forty (45) five days. The IRS has not responded beyond this point, however. Yes, I have sent follow up letters after the 45 days expired, and I haven't received a reply.

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

Its always as if they never received anything. I recently rebutted their $500 penalty. I didn't get the penalty but what I got was a Late penalty with interest for a total of $996.54. That's what their response to my rebuttal was. Is that criminal or what?

I always respond. They never like.

Again, if the IRS should take greater action you have your records to show that you responded in reasonable fashion.

Keep up the good work.

[mnchicago]

Lawdog:

What you say is true. All of the references you
mention do apply to taxpayers, and anyone who
chooses to become a taxpayer is, indeed, obligated
to pay taxes according to IRS dictates.

However, if I choose to be a nontaxpayer, for example,
not a single word of the IRC applies to me, nor am I
obligated to pay any taxes, except excise taxes,
typically paid at point of purchase.

It has been my experience that people like you refuse
to accept the simplicity of that statement.

The case sites in many of the examples can easily
be refuted by other rulings, but that is not an issue
to debate. It is well-established that many courts
do everything to protect governement interests.

Just know, that case cites are a double-edged sword.

[BOBT12]

mnchicago thanks for your response, and welcome to the forum.

[mnchicago]

Thank you, BOBT12.

Wasn't ignoring your welcome, rather, I forgot on which
thread I had posted earlier.

I was hoping responses would be acknowleged via an
e-mail alert by Sui Juris to know when someone has
made a counterpoint, agreed, or whatever.

It may take me a bit of time to get my wits sorted out
here...which assumes I have any.

Cheers!


Ahhhhhhh. I just now saw that my response to lawdog
was at the end of the first page, and I did not know
there were subsequent reponses on page two, where
I finally showed up....a bit out of place.

Oh, well.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by mnchicago

Thank you, BOBT12.

Wasn't ignoring your welcome, rather, I forgot on which
thread I had posted earlier.

I was hoping responses would be acknowleged via an
e-mail alert by Sui Juris to know when someone has
made a counterpoint, agreed, or whatever.

It may take me a bit of time to get my wits sorted out
here...which assumes I have any.

Cheers!

No problem, take your time, look around.

BOBT