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Old 05-12-2006, 12:58 PM
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Indeed mrg!

However I believe in free speech whatever and I think Admin is there too. Therefore the Ignore List is quite the cat's pajamas.
Yup, the ignore list is it. If you don't like a paticular member, you can ignore them. IT shortens the message board to so you don't have to wade through it. Sorry if sui juris is not meeting the expectations of what people think that this board should be, but I don't even think the originator of this board, suijuris, would have banned these guys so far, either. I love it when my premises are challenged because it forces me to really dig in and show the law. Sometimes these guys are right and you have to deal with it and move on.

Look, if you believe in the first amendment, then we would become what we hate should we arbitrarily decide to ban people who are merely just countering people's premises.
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:53 PM
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Yup, the ignore list is it. If you don't like a paticular member, you can ignore them. IT shortens the message board to so you don't have to wade through it. Sorry if sui juris is not meeting the expectations of what people think that this board should be, but I don't even think the originator of this board, suijuris, would have banned these guys so far, either. I love it when my premises are challenged because it forces me to really dig in and show the law. Sometimes these guys are right and you have to deal with it and move on.

Look, if you believe in the first amendment, then we would become what we hate should we arbitrarily decide to ban people who are merely just countering people's premises.


Ignore list is not the point.

Let me illustrate: I do not believe in your Christian god... I think it is silly hocus pocus that is man made that has sooooo many holes it its writings (the bible... several of them) it has a history of violence and is a horrible oxymoron....

Now.. with the above comment in mind... I really was not TOO disrespectful... HOWEVER, should I GO TO the religion section of this forum... and start my ranting and disrespectful raving (makes no difference if I am right or wrong) how long until you think I am banned?

The reason I use this topic as an example... as I know it hits a specific NERVE (if you will) in even the most diplomatic of people.

For this reason... I DO NOT GO TO THE RELIGION portion of this forum... because I DISAGREE WITH IT... I have PROOF that what many of you believe is easily challenged... but why would I go to what YOU created... and call you stupid... entice you into stupid/unproductive arguments and irritations (not debate) OR even sometimes debate...

It is YOUR/OUR forum... we generally respect each other’s abilities, knowledge, and beliefs... why is it so hard to respect it COMPLETELY? This same damn argument is in this forum nearly once a week... go back and look at old topics.... its been going on for a very long time... I have wandered through this and other forums for YEARS before POSTING... and still would see this childlike waste of time. Stop trying to make this forum the ideal America... and make it what it actually is... A FORUM of research. MRG clearly pointed out that we can GO TO the arguments for training... is this part of LAW RESEARCH GROUP or is it the days of our lives?

~HTR~

Enough of the drama already.... take control of YOUR forum. Stop being their slave.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:32 PM
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Indeed mrg!

However I believe in free speech whatever and I think Admin is there too.

Therefore the Ignore List is quite the cat's pajamas.

I believe in free speech.

Free sovereign people are free to pursue happiness as they choose, taking care not to cause injury in that pursuit.

The first amendment, and any amendment, or the constitution itself, is not the declaration or granting, or statement of a right, or rights, but a statement of prohibitive limitation on the creation by the creator.

The assistance of a society's affairs guided by a very limited FORM of governance is a process, not a forced imposition.

The ignore list works ok, and the experiment of boycotting trolls is worthwhile, and I do not wish to alienate those I respect who actually want the trolls here.

I do not understand why though, when one has made another go silent and unresponsive to an argument the same redundant argument is allowed to appear elsewhere ad infinitum, without responding substantially, and responsively to a prior inescapable interogatory procedure that the person opened themself up to and then refused to perform as prescribed by the challenger.

I also do not understand how and why infiltration, sabotage, and piracy is so difficult for some to see, and at least monitor.

I have seen another board, that was initially very fine, and provided a valuable professional forum, compromised in quality, and effectively undermined by very determined and persistent trolls, plants, pavement artists, agents provacateurs, and the like, to the point I could not participate.

I have benefitted, I suppose, in engaging miscreants, but to have to feel compelled, out of a perhaps misguided sense of duty, to re-engage endlessly in what amounts to nothing more than vulgar and deceitful red herring baiting by clothing sabotage with a veil of "legitimate" "argument," wherein the "subject matter" of the argument, whether cosmetically "valid" or not, is not the true point or purpose of the engagement, becomes tiring, and at some point rather embarrasing to realize one has been once more sucked into a tail-chasing exercise.

The first thing that one of the trolls here did was to use his "professional" union's tools to run information through more than one national data base, in what I feel was, in part, an effort to ID the poster.

I have reason to believe the same individual found my name where I was baited into posting it by another troll, and running it and taunting me with personal information
thus discovered.

Free speech is free speech, and if it is employed to infiltrate, delude, sabotage, and wage war, and is successful, so be it.

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Old 05-12-2006, 08:32 PM
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David, you are correct, and I was fully aware at the time of my posting that AndyK was not actually "missing" the point, but misdirecting as you so eloquently pointed out, I just promissed myself I wouldn't get sucked into AndyK's trap again.

Thank you for elaborating on what I should have.

The Bob Schulz "loss" is actually a big win, not only for him, but also for those who know how to read and comprehend.

Yeah that Schultz loss was such a loss that the IRS have been pissing and moaning big time to the courts about the nagging little details of that "loss."

And again, I feel compelled to re-iterate, that the growing rumors on the various "tax freedom," and "sovereignty" "patriot" websites that this "Andy" is an infernal revenuer pavement artist collecting data and info is PATENTLY FALSE.
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After 2 months

After 2 months of no updates, there are 2 today.

1. Judge has actually signed a vacate order.
2. Another person has had his levy released.

Here is the link: http://www.nftl-removal.com/Updates.html
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Old 06-30-2006, 05:28 PM
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no lien only notice of lien.

I got some information I will work on digging up on IRS liens. But what I remember is that the irs never files a lien but a notice of lien, which isn't a lien. And through doing a search you can get evidence that there isn't in fact a lien filed but only a notice of lien which isn't the same thing. I will post it as soon as I have found the info.

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After 2 months of no updates, there are 2 today.

1. Judge has actually signed a vacate order.
2. Another person has had his levy released.

Here is the link: http://www.nftl-removal.com/Updates.html
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Old 06-30-2006, 05:35 PM
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Links to removal of irs tax lien

To view these without a problem you need to right click and do a save as or angelfire will give you a problem.

Document from the irs where they have to remove the "lien" when they recieve a bond.
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ebookst...FedRelease.tif

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ebookst...FedRelease.JPG
Info on bonds
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ebookst...roup/Bonds.tif
This one you can just click and it will take you directly to the html page on the angelfire site.
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ebookst...oup/Bonds.html

right click and save this one as well or you will have problems viewing the file.
remove liens with ucc-3
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ebookst...p/08_27_02.pdf


This is stuff I posted about 3 years ago when I had more time to study this stuff I hope it helps.


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I got some information I will work on digging up on IRS liens. But what I remember is that the irs never files a lien but a notice of lien, which isn't a lien. And through doing a search you can get evidence that there isn't in fact a lien filed but only a notice of lien which isn't the same thing. I will post it as soon as I have found the info.

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