05-01-2006, 12:15 AM
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Come and Get Some!
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Illinois Republic
Posts: 3,411
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Originally Posted by mnchicago
free_martha:
Do not underestimate the effectiveness of the absolute
simplicity of the IRS having to prove themselves.
Arguing that any part of the code is void for vagueness
will not wash in the courts, and it is the wrong
arguement to be making.
Never, ever get into a legal pissing contest with the IRS.
They have the decided edge.
Instead, put them on the defensive by requiring them to prove that one is subject to an "income" tax.
Nor need there be any concern for any "special law."
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Of course, this does not apply for anyone who has submitted W-4 forms, or has "volunteered" themselves into the hands of the IRS.
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My first filing of an agency information request form probably occurred at age 15, I have trusted I would be put in a cage or reduced to peonage, if I did not submit.
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Generally speaking, I see a lot of vitriolic criticism of a personal nature directed at AndyK, and a few others, with whom I have no familiarity.
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("I better appreciate how you alienate people.")
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Nothing personal, just business.
Comic relief?
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Will it cause anyone to change their minds?
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Possibly.
Did your approach change anyone's mind?
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No, and it is taking the low road,
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Perhaps, perhaps not, to both, and you are offering opinion.
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...as well as tacitly acknowledging the other party has "gotten to you."
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Nothing tacit about vociferously "acknowledging" that someone makes me want to puke bile.
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Maybe it is just me, but resorting to childish name-calling or denigrating another's POV, is not only ineffective, it also feeds on itself by encouraging more opposing responses.
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I do not see employment of propagandists' logically fallacious rhetorical devices as POV.
If you perceive me as a childish name-caller, so be it.
Perhaps I perceive you as someone who was cunningly baited into an exercise of chasing his own tail by someone who does that as a job.
Not a criticism.
I stand by what I wrote as to MO as opposed to POV.
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It is obvious that AndyK does not want to give my limited, albeit formidable, point of view any credence.
That is his choice, as my position is mine.
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Perhaps his is "irresistable compulsion; a power or impulse so great that it admits no choice of conduct?"
Is internalized Pavlovian conditioned reflex a choice?
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Silence/ignoring another is mighty potent and very effective.
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Well the ignore button is ineffective as I have to look at what I would choose to otherwise ignore, but I suppose I should be silent.
I do find it difficult to ignore a very large popularly accepted internal deployment of mercenary armed forces both garnering and backing the extraction of revenue.
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AndyK has given me his best shot, none of which had any relevence to answering my challenge.
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With all due respect, that is somewhat of a contradictory statement.
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One other point to mrg:
Never present yourself as a non-taxpayer. You will then have to prove yourself, and you are on the defensive.
Rather, you are not a taxpayer as defined by the IRC.
Make the IRS prove you are.
Ball in their court.
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OK thanks...
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