Employer going behind my back!

artificialsteve · #1 05-21-2006, 10:28 PM

My boss is a great guy but when it comes to taxes he is by the book. I dont know exactly how it works, but when the IRS comes sniffing around due to my "exemption" on the W-4...he says that the IRS will make him take money out of my check...!!!&*)&)&)&&(_*&......What I want to do is send them an affidavit wich they must rebut point for point and checkmate them before they even get a chance to start bullying my employer around.....anyone have any suggestions....has anyone else had this problem before? Does the IRS have to notify me first or can they just start threatening my employer!?....

artificialsteve · #2 05-21-2006, 11:01 PM

if you are working for the enemy...ahem JRB...please dont try to convince me that there is nothing I can do!.....I'm not stupid

Glenn · #3 05-22-2006, 06:20 AM

Artificialsteve

I see where you may have an issue in the coming years.

You stated “I dont know exactly how it works, but when the IRS comes sniffing around due to my "exemption" on the W-4...” This act is what will cause you a problem, If your employer requires you to fill out tax papers try to go the 1099 route as then you are stating “If I have any taxable income I will report it and pay the tax” make sense?

If you state untruths on a w-4....Look at US v. Sloan.

This will keep you on good terms with your employer and you can take-up any discrepancies with the IRS.

Just my opinion.

Glenn

weishaupt1776 · #4 05-22-2006, 06:22 AM

Steve, even people who don't submit Social Security Numbers (or even have them), get 28% nabbed off the top. The problem was that you filled out a W-4 in the first place, and you will see that the only real option is to sue your employer. The only real solution I see is for as many people as possible to correct their nationalities to their state nationality, expatriate U.S. citizenship; and then go class action. I hate to be a drag, but these are dark days.

David Merrill · #5 05-22-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Steve, even people who don't submit Social Security Numbers (or even have them), get 28% nabbed off the top. The problem was that you filled out a W-4 in the first place, and you will see that the only real option is to sue your employer. The only real solution I see is for as many people as possible to correct their nationalities to their state nationality, expatriate U.S. citizenship; and then go class action. I hate to be a drag, but these are dark days.

Agreed. But since you filled out the W-4 that will be the consent determined in equity.

What I am giving you is technically accurate, but you have to weigh that against a confidence game based on fear and greed. In other words, being right is not likely to scare your boss more than the IRS can scare your boss. And since your boss is working a business and is himself (in his own ignorance) a corporate person the IRS agents are a very real threat to you, him and all your co-workers.

Your boss typically will give you a new W-4 form to sign at the end of each year. So know that you are expected to keep the W-4 updated with current information. Therefore even now, midyear, you can request a blank W-4 form from Personnel/Payroll. Then Refuse it for Cause and insist that the updated W-4 (novation) presides over all the erroneous W-4s preceeding it.

But you better be ready to be fired as a risk and nuisance to the wellbeing of the corporation. If you are not ready to hoe that row, and it is a long hard one, you are probably best not to jockey your mouse around here anymore.

Regards,

David Merrill.

Glenn · #6 05-22-2006, 01:16 PM

I also agree with weishaupt1776 and David, but I do not know what your knowledge and background is so I find it hard to tell someone to jump from hard ground into quicksand as that is what it will become quickly if you are not prepared.

It is so easy to recontract back into the U.S. CITIZEN routine that I would make sure you fully understand what you are doing and what it takes to stay out.

Remember you can get out once based on your lack of understanding of what you had done but if you re-contract you can not get out the second time because it is deemed you know what you were doing.

With that said you need to file a notice of error with the IRS and resubmit some paperwork.

Explain that you are confused and lack the knowledge to competently comply with there code and ask them to help and send them a form UNSIGNED.

This would fulfill their requirement requiring you to submit a return, as only the IRS can file the document.

I would still go the 1099 route unless you do not really like your job, your employer could sue the IRS but I do not think that will happen.

If the 1099 does not appeal to you there is a document you can file with your employer that satisfies the employers requirement (of the IRS) of trying to obtain a soc.

I would stay out of any class action suits and refuse to be enjoined to any other case as all it takes is one infiltrator to kill the action.

If you have one hundred people who want to file a suite, get together and create a private contract or pact file one suite and they have to tell you why you lost. Correct the next filling resubmit the case under a new party and keep adjusting until you win then use that win to win all the rest put the winnings in a fund and split it after all is said and done.

Glenn

David Merrill · #7 05-22-2006, 04:45 PM

The Cracking the Code routine may be viable indefinitely. That would allow you to just pay into the withholdings, keep your employer happy and then you get every penny back when you file the Return.

http://www.losthorizons.com/Newsletter.htm

Regards,

David Merrill.

artificialsteve · #8 05-24-2006, 09:14 PM

Thank you for the advice.....I like the 1099 idea because what I really dont want is my boss to get in hot water because of my own personal beliefs that the IRS is a bloodsucking, life-wasting, desperate bunch of pirates who drag anyone they can into negative chaos......my belief has always been...if you want to contract with criminals and you think it is "the right thing to do" then I cant stop you.....but I can try to save my own world...

...so if I file a 1099 the IRS will have to come to me first...and when they do that I will be fully prepared....

....David Merril...in response to what you stated i MUST SAY THAT i AM SO FED UP WITH THIS CURRENT STATE OF FINANCIAL GLOOM that I am prepared to do whatever I can to retain my own personal freedom and sovereignty.....even my own family who are very smart people just think I am trying to get something for nothing and cheat my way through the system...its funny how the PTB have trained generations to stand up for them!!!!I am also truly shocked at how many people I try to talk to about things such as: r4c, a4v, uccredemption, taxation, laws, and "money" just really dont give two country dumps about it or they get angry because the thoght of having to reformulate everything they were taught is just to much to handle...boo-hoo.......I wish i could find some people in the Seattle-Tacoma area who could talk to me about the heavy stuff.....besides my computer friends here...I am doing this all alone.......thanks again for the advice......

Petrous · #9 05-25-2006, 12:31 PM

If your boss is a good guy, talk to him. While you're protecting your back, let him have a chance to protect his own.

Be conscious of the different between employee/employer vs contracted labor. If you go contract - watch for the reasons for dismissal. The rights of a contractor are not the same as employees.