w-4 questions

[mystic one]

is it true that you can provide your employer with a w-4 exemption and you also dont have to provide your ssn. and to file the corresponding paperwork?

does anyone know the procedure and paperwork needed to do this.

and i dont mean smart comments like " well just check that says w-4 exemption on the w-4 and there goes your exemption...... that is a partial answer, but what is the "complete way" to notify your employer that you dont even want to fill out those stupid forms to begin with and what affadavit can you give to the human resource lady if they try to challenge you on this. no sir all employees must provide ss. everyone has to fill out w-4 and all that bull****, because they think there required by law to make there employees do that, when the true decision lies with the employee = sovereign in training

[mnchicago]

mystic one:

I have something that you may find helpful, but I do not
have access to it today. Maybe tomorrow.

I will post it on the thread I have going, IRS, DOJ, and Fraud,
just so all the info can be found on one thread.

Cheers!

[mnchicago]

I have provided a sample letter to opt out of W-4 and
social security withholding on page 7 of the thread
titled, Congress, IRS, DOJ, and Fraud.

[mystic one]

mystic,

If you can convince the person who you're going to do work for to engage you as an independent contractor and utilize a W-9 instead of a W-4, I would suggest doing so.

If you take the time to look at the W-4 and the W-9 (form companies usually ask someone to complete prior to doing any work), you'll notice that the W-9 does not make it manditory to provide a SSN excepting under certain circumstances as listed on the form. Further, there is no OMB number on the W-9. None at all. This means it is 100% unofficial per the Paperwork Reduction Act and may be ignored. But to satisfy the person you're doing work for, fill it out under threat, duress and coercion. Also remove all the presumptions that you are a person (artificial entity) and a US citizen (of the federal type) - you probably already knew that.

If you decide to go the W-9 route, focus on how a contractual work agreement to a potential client (the person you're going to perform the work for) will benefit him/her/them since they don't have the additional expenses related to unemployment, SS and workman compensation. You submit your time, they present a check.

Of course, none of this applies if you want the benefits of SS and that of being an "employee".


The flaw i see in this is the fact that your still submitting a w-9 to an employer and all though this is exempts you from providing ssn . omb, and ss tax, the fact that you filled out the form, the employer then submitted this form to the irs, and if they irs challenges you on this you have to rebut this later.

Since its always good to think 3 steps ahead of everyone , why go through the bother of trying to convince your employer of w-9 status and having to self-employed taxes, than to rebut citizenship/ jurisdiction by submitting a form to the human resource that you are not going to fill out any tax forms at all, and by law you are not required to submit anything at all which was mentioned in the doj, irs thread submitted by mnchicago.. i think this sets up a much stronger framework just refusing the paperwork to begin with backed up by affadavits, than trying to go the w-9 route and having to rebut self employed tax. it depends how much of a paradigm shift you have made

[mystic one]

free from contract read my response above as i feel that will make you look at the whole "paradigm" wheras the w-9 still has self employment taxes. the best best is to rebut it altogether, and refuse to fill out any forms.

w-9 will tax too.

[mnchicago]

mystic one:

It seems you are missing the point. There should be no
debate on your part.

Read carefully: You are not required, by law to supply
your signaure on any tax form, nor are you
required by law to submit a SSN. I gave you the
rules info elsewhere.

What you get to do is either have convictions about
what you want to do with regards the IRS, or not have
any convictions, and just go along.

Understand what it is you want, and then use the info
available to educate yourself to the point that you know
where you stand when you chose to make a stand.

That is what this is all about.

Just my POV.

[kaptnjack]

Hey chicago,

I have done several searches for the thread titled Congress, IRS, DOJ, and Fraud but no luck.

Can you slip me a link or better directions if you are still around....anyone else?

[kaptnjack]

found it.

thanks

[cz3000]

where? please post link.
thx

Originally Posted by kaptnjack

found it.

thanks

[kaptnjack]

this is a lionk the page seven as suggested

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/taxati...ception-7.html