New Gen No SS#

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Dr Zapola

Ok. Ok All this about camps is one thing but get back to how they will deal with more and more Americans not having SS#s not to mention the foreigners.

Ever heard of bait and switch? That what it's really all about. That is why they want the ileagles in the country. They will do anything to fit in. Happy to be a part of the system. Read about ancient Roman, same thing all over again.

[David Merrill]

I do not think there is any substance to the question. Why do they deal with people who have no SSN? They only deal with people who have SSNs. I cannot think of any reason why they would have to deal with people having no SSN - at least within the scope of that issue.

If there are illegal immigrants who have no SSN, then they are dealing with illegal immigrants; outside the scope of whether or not they have SSNs. I think you are expressing a form of conditioning around equating having SSNs with national identity.

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Which is a true model within the scope of the five exemplary nations contributing to the value of the floating exchange rate (post Jamaica/Rambouillet Accord 1976) fictional currency basket. These five nations are no doubt perfect examples of that national identity being based on the conditioning that everyone has to have a Social Security Number.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/sdr.htm

So granting that your question has substance, I think that it dramatically effects the risk management algorithms being implemented in the substitute final rule - The Basel II Accord.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Dr Zapola

Ok. Ok All this about camps is one thing but get back to how they will deal with more and more Americans not having SS#s not to mention the foreigners.

On what do you base your assumption that more and more Americans don't have SSNs?

[RickA]

On what do you base your assumption that more and more Americans don't have SSNs?

I would think the number would be difficult to determine. Not impossible, just difficult. As for what I have read, heard or, know, I do not know, but I think the question would be more appropriately asked based on the assumption that more and more Americans would elect to not use their, and subsequently teach not getting a social security number.

Oh.....what is covering the head of that cat?

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by RickA

I would think the number would be difficult to determine. Not impossible, just difficult. As for what I have read, heard or, know, I do not know, but I think the question would be more appropriately asked based on the assumption that more and more Americans would elect to not use their, and subsequently teach not getting a social security number.

According to their website, the SSA issues 18,000,000 new SSNs each year. That number has gone up every year, not down. Almost all babies have an SSN application in place before leaving the hospital these days, and while the tax protest movement may not be applying for numbers for their kids, 1) their numbers are pretty small - not enough to even show up as a blip on the SSA screen - and, 2) when their kids want to get a job later in life, they'll need to apply for a number at that time.

Oh.....what is covering the head of that cat?

That is a melon helmet. "Melon Cat" is a famous avatar from the gaming communities. You'll find melon cat on quite a few bulletin boards online, just like you'll find the name "Demosthenes." It's an inside joke kind of thing.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

2) when their kids want to get a job later in life, they'll need to apply for a number at that time.

There is no requirement to have a SSN before one can get a job (that is presuming you don't want any of the corporate benefits associated with being classified as an employee).

[RickA]

Originally Posted by RickA
I would think the number would be difficult to determine. Not impossible, just difficult. As for what I have read, heard or, know, I do not know, but I think the question would be more appropriately asked based on the assumption that more and more Americans would elect to not use their, and subsequently teach not getting a social security number.

According to their website, the SSA issues 18,000,000 new SSNs each year. That number has gone up every year, not down. Almost all babies have an SSN application in place before leaving the hospital these days, and while the tax protest movement may not be applying for numbers for their kids, 1) their numbers are pretty small - not enough to even show up as a blip on the SSA screen - and, 2) when their kids want to get a job later in life, they'll need to apply for a number at that time.

Having not read their website and not disputing that the figure is quoted by them, but just off the top of my head, doesn't that number seem a bit off? Even factoring in deaths?

Oh.....what is covering the head of that cat?

That is a melon helmet. "Melon Cat" is a famous avatar from the gaming communities. You'll find melon cat on quite a few bulletin boards online, just like you'll find the name "Demosthenes." It's an inside joke kind of thing.

I can imagine what that cat is thinking.....sigh...I wish they would have just left us un-domesticated.....sigh

[Demosthenes]

Having not read their website and not disputing that the figure is quoted by them, but just off the top of my head, doesn't that number seem a bit off? Even factoring in deaths?

I have no idea. There are a little more than 4 million live births in the US each year (source: HRSA.gov). I don't know the number of teenagers who are applying for their first jobs, or how many legal immigrants moved here.

I can imagine what that cat is thinking.....sigh...I wish they would have just left us un-domesticated.....sigh

If it were my cat, she'd be thinking, "I am *so* going to f*** up every screen and drape in the house..."

In a nation of about 300 million people it would not take too many years at 18 mill per year to double the population. I think you need to revise the number. Now it is true the governments big taking monster has a plan (from the start) to get everybody on the planet a number and yes their right out of the womb plan has been realized and making it near impossible to work, buy, sale, travel, bank, possess, get medical attention, get an education... etc (mark of the beast anyone) you know just the way Nazis like it but there is a small and growing movement (LOOK OUT Nazis) of young people who have been educated by wise elders to not take the mark.

If this troubles anyone they need to analyze why, it may be an indicator that they dislike Freedom for others. Those who want to enslave others are Nazis and evil.
Demo you seam to revel with pride that the system has such a grip on the necks of the people of America. What is it that makes you to want such ill will on others? Who hurt you so that you make such a monstrous machine more important than people’s rights and freedoms?

Would you advise the young not to get a SS#? Would you promote SS# abstention?

[Demosthenes]

Demo you seam to revel with pride that the system has such a grip on the necks of the people of America.

I "revel with pride"?

Nope. I just correct mistakes when I see them posted and try to keep the conversation on real world data and issues, which seems to cause a bit of resentment on this board.

Would you advise the young not to get a SS#? Would you promote SS# abstention?

If a youngster isn't going to be taken as a deduction on a parent's tax return, I see no reason to apply for a number. I applied for a number when I got my first job at the age of 14.