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Old 08-02-2006, 11:21 AM
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Robert Lawrence update

http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/lawrence12.pdf

The judge denied the payment of Lawrence's legal fees.
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Old 08-02-2006, 11:28 AM
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http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/lawrence12.pdf

The judge denied the payment of Lawrence's legal fees.
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Old 08-02-2006, 01:29 PM
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This order, filed on July 31st, rejecting Lawrence's application for his attorneys' fees, substantiates what I said about the Lawrence case. The judge points out that the case was dropped because of a belated discovery by the govt that the tax calculations were wrong, and not because of any Paperwork Reduction argument.

The only comment that the judge made about Lawrence's Paperwork Reduction argument is that it hasn't worked in previous cases and even Lawrence cannot find one decision that supports his arguments.
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Old 08-02-2006, 03:06 PM
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This order, filed on July 31st, rejecting Lawrence's application for his attorneys' fees, substantiates what I said about the Lawrence case. The judge points out that the case was dropped because of a belated discovery by the govt that the tax calculations were wrong, and not because of any Paperwork Reduction argument.

I don't think the judge really needed to decide why the government dropped the prosecution, because the burden of proof was on Lawrence to show that the prosecution was improper, and Lawrence failed to produce any proof.

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The only comment that the judge made about Lawrence's Paperwork Reduction argument is that it hasn't worked in previous cases and even Lawrence cannot find one decision that supports his arguments.

The judge also described the PRA defense as "unlikely" and said that the claim that the government *knew* that it was going to lose on a defense that had *never* before succeeded was "ridiculous."

From the opinion:

"Even if a defendant like Lawrence is eventually successful at convincing a court that the PRA of 1995 provides individuals like Lawrence with a valid defense for failing to pay taxes, something that appears unlikely in light of the cases addressing the PRA of 1980 defense, Lawrence’s argument that the Government should have known that this was the law at the time that Lawrence was prosecuted is ridiculous."
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:34 PM
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The DOJ failed to amend the action. Why not just amend the complaint?

I do not believe that is the cause of the Lawrence Dismissal - and I have not believed anything of the like since I read Demosthenes' thread DOJ dismisses case against tax protestor on Quatloos. Even Demo has admitted there was a sudden decline in criminal prosecutions on the DOJ Press Release website.



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Old 08-05-2006, 01:07 PM
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Even Demo has admitted there was a sudden decline in criminal prosecutions on the DOJ Press Release website.

Stop lying about me, David.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:26 PM
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Just got off a conference call with Lindsey. The Lawrence case is not over yet. It is on appeal to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding attorney's fees. It really does not matter why it was dismissed. The fact is it was dismissed with prejudice upon the goverment's own initiative. The government had no case and they showed that with the dismissal. That shows Lawrence is entitled to attorneys fees and this will be shown in the appeal.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:50 PM
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Stop lying about me, David.


It is no lie Demo. You are the one who was keeping an eye on the DOJ Press Release website. There was a dramatic decline, even after the site was updated with the current cases.

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The government had no case and they showed that with the dismissal.

What is interesting is because of the OMB# fiasco, the IRS never does have a case unless the Taxpayer is setting on US territory or is involved with BATF activity. So I am of a vastly different opinion:

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It really does not matter why it was dismissed.

It is that kind of statement that caused me to accuse Lindsey Springer, you and Dawgwise of spouting tactical counterintelligence for the Treasury (witting or unwitting). The reason for the Lawrence Dismissal is extraordinarily important. I think his getting back compensation for the false action is really only important to him. There is an element of saving face at the DOJ the magistrate is protecting but again I feel compared to the Achilles' Heel of the IRS, that is pretty trivial.


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Old 08-05-2006, 06:33 PM
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You are the one who was keeping an eye on the DOJ Press Release website. There was a dramatic decline, even after the site was updated with the current cases.

There has been no such dramatic decline. As I have said several times already, they only update the site every few months, and then only pieces at a time. To get a more reliable analysis, you'll have to comb the websites of all 92 individual districts.
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Old 08-05-2006, 07:16 PM
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the very idea that the govt. can force someone to pay for the service of another when the force was not justified (for whatever reason, matters not) is but one example of the actual problem....

All the little word games and the back stabbing and the trash talk and the accusations and the poo poo and foo foo and la la here has nothing to do with the price of tea in China....
wasn't that the topic?
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