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Old 08-10-2006, 08:47 AM
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You use that buzz word an awful lot. Are you a so******t?
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Old 08-10-2006, 11:32 AM
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. let me tell you that for the last two days my wife has been trying to just find out where in the corporation the letter came from. The envelope was sent from an office in the corporation in Arizona. The actual notice was sent to the corporate headquarters in Texas. The letter was unsigned but gave a toll free phone number. She called the toll free phone number. It turns out the the department she was to contact with any questions is a corporate call center in Jamaica. She has been unable, so far, to contact the individual (minimum salary call center employee) regarding the letter/notice.

She looks to me to fix it... and I tell her it's time she strap on the gloves and get into the ring, because I cannot fix it for her... I can only be in her corner.



The Notice of Levy probably came from the corporation's Payroll Department, ie., whereever her check is processed.

There is a TON of sh*t you have to learn when it comes down to a Notice of Levy-- and I mean A TON. But if your wife isn't getting into the ring, as you say, then the IRS could have sent a piece of toilet paper and it wouldn't have made a difference, because as you say, she doesn't want to fight it.


Below is a sample letter someone wrote to an unknown person in payroll department of Kaiser Permanent.

Again though I don't think the levy was stopped after KP received this letter because the person whose pay was being levied didn't write this letter--someone wrote it for her-- so my prediction is that KP honored the levy and the garnishee did not take any action (sue) in state court to stop it or get her money back, because she didn't know how.



KAISER REGIONAL PAYROLL DEPT.
ATTN: GARNISHMENT / LEVY AREA
1950 FRANKLIN STREET 6th FLOOR
OAKLAND CALIFORNIA 94612

SIRS:

I am in receipt of your unsigned do***ents, which are allegedly Notice that you have received a levy which you indicate that you intend to honor according to a “Technical and Miscellaneous Revenue Act of 1988.”

Please be advised that I do not consent to your levy action. Your notices are returned herein together with a MEMORANDUM OF CALIFORNIA POINTS AND AUTHORITIES relative to earnings withholding orders, SUPPLEMENTAL CALIFORNIA AUTHORITIES FEDERAL TAX LIEN REQUIREMENTS, and my CLAIM OF EXEMPTION form for Wage Garnishment.

The California Code of Civil Procedure section 706.104 states that “Any employer who is served with an earnings withholding order shall: (a) Deliver to the judgment debtor a copy of the earnings withholding order and a notice to employee of earnings withholding within 10 days from the date of service.” Since I did not see the judgment included with your papers and to my knowledge no court or administrative determination or valid assessment for taxes has been made, I have completed the CLAIM OF EXEMPTION to the best of my ability from the information provided and attached the financing statement. If you will be so kind as to forward the judgment you received to authorize your “levy” I will send an amended CLAIM OF EXEMPTION at that time.
I, John Henry Doe, do hereby conditionally accept for value the instruments you have included entitled KP FSO PAYROLL SERVICES, KAISER PERMANENTE EMPLOYEE GARNISHMENT ACTION/ GOVERNMENT LEVY NOTIFICATION, Form 668-W(c) Notice of Levy on Wages, Salary, and Other Income Part 2 – FOR TAXPAYER, Part 4 – FOR EMPLOYER OR OTHER ADDRESSEE TO KEEP AFTER TAXPAYER COMPLETES and Part 5 – FOR TAXPAYER TO KEEP bearing the mark of my conditional acceptance.

NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCE OF CONTRACT

Please take notice that the conditionally accepted instruments will be honored upon your production of evidence IN FACT to support your allegation that you have a valid levy. The conditions, which require satisfaction prior to levy and prior to full acceptance are as follow:

1. Upon proof of claim that a valid judgment, administrative or judicial, has been made to give authority to a wage garnishment;

2. Upon proof of claim that the agency has complied with all of the provisions of the applicable law for determine and assessing the tax;

3. Upon proof of claim that a Federal Tax Lien has been created;

4. Upon proof of claim that the Technical And Miscellaneous Revenue Act of 1988 (TAMRA) effective 7-1-89 has substantive regulations implemented which show that it is an act of Congress that directly relates to me;

5. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE. is not exempt from levy;

6. Upon proof of claim that you have consent of JOHN HENRY DOE for levy on wages;

7. Upon proof of claim that the Form 668-W(c) carries the seal of a valid court or agency;

8. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE is not entitled to a hearing before seizure of her wages;

9. Upon proof of claim that purported levy is made in accordance with the provisions of chapter 706.071 of the California Civil Code;

10. Upon proof of claim that a tax lien consistent with the provision of the Rosenthal Tax Lien Act

11. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE is a judgment debtor;

12. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE is an “Taxapayer”;

13. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE is within the “State” defined in the California Personal Income Tax Code section 17018.

14. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE is engaged in the “Trade or business” defined in section 17020 of the California Personal Income Tax code;

15. Upon proof of claim that JOHN HENRY DOE has obtained an impartial factual determination regarding levy on her wages;

16. Upon proof of claim that the notices to JOHN HENRY DOE from KAISER PERMANENTE are sufficient to avoid liability to KAISER PERMANENTE for damages by relying upon them for levy action;

17. Upon proof of claim that the law of the case affirmatively appears on the notice, including the taxing and liability statutes with attending regulations;

18. Upon proof of claim that the instruments do not constitute a bill of attainder;

19. Upon proof of claim that the Form 668-W(c) an the information contained therein raise to the level of a valid claim or levy;

20. Upon proof of claim that honoring a fraudulent “levy” is NOT an injury to JOHN HENRY DOE;
21. Upon proof of claim that a valid lien and a valid judgment for collection of tax was properly brought through the Superior court in Santa Clara County to obtain force and effect in California as required by California Code of Civil Procedure “Sister State” provision section 1710.20;

22. Upon proof of claim that you have a copy of the right to attach order or an order permitting the creation of a lien;

23. Upon proof of claim that your right to attach order has met the requirements of California Civil Code section 491.415 by filing an undertaking as provided by Sections 490.210 and 489.220;

24. Upon proof of claim that the notice of lien contains the title of the court where the plaintiff’s action against the defendant is pending and the cause and number of the action as provided in California Civil Code section 491.420;
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Old 08-10-2006, 04:19 PM
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You use that buzz word an awful lot. Are you a so******t?

Well Demo you surprise me I was under the impression you knew it all. Let me explain or rather tell you what Mussolini said of fascism " Fascism is when the corporations join up with government to enslave the people." Corporatocracy is the same. Iam a little older than you and use to work in the game and Ill tell you The corperations and the Feds work togeather. Now you... I believe work with them but know not what you do. They are real and will step on any one or nation to keep their control.

I’m a Libertarian and have been all my life. So forgive others and me for seeking freedom and trying stupid ways to attain it. Some one has to, obviously you not willing.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:10 PM
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The word corporatocracy was coined by the Global Justice Movement folk and is anti-capitalism. Most Libertarians (myself included) believe in free market capitalism.
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Old 08-11-2006, 06:04 AM
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The word corporatocracy was coined by the Global Justice Movement folk and is anti-capitalism. Most Libertarians (myself included) believe in free market capitalism.


a/k/a being governed by NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations like the United Nations):

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attach...g?d=1154817615

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"Fascism is when the corporations join up with government to enslave the people."

That was then Dr. This is now. Government is no longer governmental but corporate business.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...a_Pipeline.wmv

They are no longer separate at all. The Treasury is pure combination - UN. The mailing address for the Chief Human Capital Officer is the IRS!

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attach...g?d=1154817615
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attach...g?d=1154817538


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Old 08-11-2006, 06:10 AM
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The word corporatocracy was coined by the Global Justice Movement folk and is anti-capitalism. Most Libertarians (myself included) believe in free market capitalism.


So you say don’t make it true.

If you’re Libertarian than you could have fooled me. Now what does a free market have to do with corporations ganging up with government to enslave the world. That’s not a FREE MARKET. I think your buying into the ultra conservative bull that’s a Fascist front. A corporation is a government privilege to do business with government protections, where is it written that they are the free market. EVER ONE SHOULD BE PROTECTED IN THEIR PERSONS, HOUSES, PAPERS AND EFFECTS. There are thefts everywhere, even in business. IF we make a law saying that people cant take your property by theft we also have to make a law to keep business from ripping you off. So the corporatocracy wants to call this needless regulations and screams about free markets. If I where a thief I would not want laws to get in my way either.

If you’re Libertarian you need to go back to square one and do some serious studying. Please show your party card.
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Old 08-19-2006, 12:29 PM
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The form sent to your employer can easily be stopped by several methods. You do not provide enough data.

Does you wife really owe the tax? Is it income tax? Are you certain she owes the tax? What gave rise to it? Is it more than 10 years old? Has she made any payments in the past on it? Usually these levy's are issued when you fail to respond to them over a fairly long period of time.


Does she really need this job, with this employer? Does this employer have other offices or locations? Will the employer allow her to quit or take a temporary leave of absence?

Do you know anyone that can submit a power of attorney, IRS form 2848 on your behalf and also talk to your employer?


Have you considered calling them and working out a payment plan instead?

Have you actually seen the form, did you get a copy from your employer?
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Old 12-24-2007, 08:30 AM
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Because an employee has an oppotunity to go to court prior to a levy, there is no court order requirement for a wage levy. See the Supreme Court case on the subject below:

I hate to disappoint some folks here, but Demo is right.

The Schulz case quoted applies to a SUMMONS, not a wage levy

Also, 6331(a) does not limit the levy to just federal employees
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§ 6331. Levy and distraint

(a) Authority of Secretary If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon all property and rights to property (except such property as is exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such tax. (sentence break indicates that these people can be levied as well as the "persons liable" in the previous sentence) Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official.

It is presumed that you are a "United States Person" as defined by 7701(a); and therefore the tax imposition applies as explained by 1 CFR 1; thus indicating a "liability" BECAUSE you are a "U.S. Person". If you coughed up an SSN and filled out a W9 or W4, then you are SoL on the NoL, because it is the signing of those docs which are now evidence that you admitted to bein a "United States Person".

The key is to show that you are NOT a "United States Person" with a solid administrative paper trail to the right agencies using the right premise in law
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two things jump out at me on that post (and I have seen that section MANY times)

Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius OR Inclusion of one is exclusion of others. There is also that which was excluded was meant to be excluded.

secondly:

"...taxes can only be assessed, levied and collected in the mode pointed out by express statutory enactment. Statutes imposing taxes are construed most strongly in favor of the taxpayer, and will not be extended by implication to the prejudice of the taxpayer beyond the clear import of the language used."

and

"...the rules of statutory construction require that a statute imposing tax should be construed most strongly in favor of the taxpayer and against the government"

and Finally:

you are correct about not being a taxable person or a U.S. Citizen, etc., and that is the best solution by far, arguing case law, statutory interpretation and semantics with internal revenue is not my idea of fun.. I believe that the 'persons' listed above, who are subject to levy are the same ones who are subject to 'the tax'. Are YOU an officer or employee of the United States of America??

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