Notice of Levy / Levy

[PANICPASS]

If things were in fact of the matter the way you say, then there is nothing anybody can peacefully do anymore. So you might as well just close down suijuris, nobody is making a change anyway!


And, what you say in an illusion. Things are, in fact, exactly the way I say. You don't have to close down suijuris just because nobody is making a change. Although an IRS notice of lien appears to attach to personal or real property, they do nothing of the sort. Admirality attaches to SEIZED property (real or personal). IRS notice of liens do not seize anything.

Notices of Federal Tax Liens do the most damage because of the belief that they are real liens. Legal liens are created by those actually in possession of the property against which the lien operates. Tax assessors create property tax liens, so the real property tax liens that result from non-payment of property tax are generally valid.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

If things were in fact of the matter the way you say, then there is nothing anybody can peacefully do anymore. So you might as well just close down suijuris, nobody is making a change anyway!


And, what you say in an illusion. Things are, in fact, exactly the way I say. You don't have to close down suijuris just because nobody is making a change. Although an IRS notice of lien appears to attach to personal or real property, they do nothing of the sort. Admirality attaches to SEIZED property (real or personal). An IRS notice of lien does not seize anything.

Where do you think the credit of private credit with the federal reserve comes from? Your property has been seized since 1933.

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I recall a report to Congress from a Senator saying exactly that.

An IRS notice of lien does not seize anything.

True enough... after 30 days people seize things.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[PANICPASS]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Where do you think the credit of private credit with the federal reserve comes from? Your property has been seized since 1933.

Yes, our property has been seized, so what is IRS doing trying to seize MORE of our property by issuing Notices of Liens and Levies? The fact is, what IRS is trying to Levy (seize) is more FRNS (private credit). Title companies pay them FRNS after sale of your house, and employers pay them FRNS after you've labored for your so-called money (FRNS)

From the mpg3 file you posted earlier:


"Public money is the lawful money of the United States which the Constitution authorizes Congress to issue, conferring a property right; whereas the private credit issued by the feds is neither money nor property, permitting the user an equitable interest but denying allodial title."

[cz3000]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

"The lien does exist, but only as a Notice, not as an actual lien. The IRS will always refer to the Notice of Federal Tax Lien as the only record of the lien."


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ok. part of the issue that I was trying to cover was that, when a Notice of Levy is issued on a 'bank' or 'employer', I have yet to see or hear of a preceeding NOFTL being issued let alone a properly filed Lien.

-Probably because they can get the 3rd party to 'turn the property over' out of ignorance.

That was the original reason for the question:
Is a NOFTL/Lien required prior to issuance of a Notice of Levy / Levy.

[PANICPASS]

-Probably because they can get the 3rd party to 'turn the property over' out of ignorance.

All the 3rd party has to do is request a copy of the lien. In my case, my employer requested a copy of the lien and they got a copy of the Notice of Lien. They handed IRS my paycheck after they saw the Notice of Lien. As I said, Notices do the most damage because of the belief that they are real liens. In my case (long story), my employer knew the Notice of Levy was bogus and they knew the Notice of Lien was bogus.

Notices of Liens and Notices of Levies do NOT attach to any PROPERTY, personal or real.

"Public money is the lawful money of the United States which the Constitution authorizes Congress to issue, conferring a property right; whereas the private credit issued by the feds is neither money nor property, permitting the user an equitable interest but denying allodial title."

[PANICPASS]

Referring back to what I said regarding my employer knowing that IRS's Notice of Levy and Lien was bogus...

You see, my employer wasn't thinking about me and how valuable I was to them--they were thinking about themselves and what would happen to them if they didn't comply with IRS. They told me that their accountant told them they had to comply with the Levy, which was a lie. Why would lawyers (my employer) consult with their accountant? They blamed the accountant because they didn't want to be responsible for their decision. Nobody wants to take responsiblity for what is happening in this world.

Yesterday on the Bart train there was a huge advertisment that said, ONE NATION. On the bottom of that advertisment in very small print it gave a 1-800 for Raiders tickets. Strange advertisment for football tickets don't you think?

[weishaupt1776]

CZ, that is some old research of mine and I don't go that route anymore

The 28 USC stuff has a caveat in the CFR I believe where it says that it does not apply to income taxes

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

-Probably because they can get the 3rd party to 'turn the property over' out of ignorance.

All the 3rd party has to do is request a copy of the lien. In my case, my employer requested a copy of the lien and they got a copy of the Notice of Lien...

The attorneys likely waited a grace period for the issuance of Refusal for Cause or some other release of lien before they began garnishment. [Maybe not, but if they were smart they waited 30 days.]

After the Notice of Lien cures for thirty days it is evidence of a lien. That is what I am saying PANICPASS. The Bar is using simple common law notice and grace - not the statutes or Title 26 or the US Codes.

Another way to describe this in an edifying manner is that sometime during the Nixon Administration for whatever reason, the Post Office was shut down under some kind of emergency. [I am speaking vaguely because I have not read the research carefully, just gisted the Act of Congress.] It was only shut down for maybe one or two days, but that was certainly an emergency (however contrived by the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy).

When the Post Office opened again, it was the United States Postal Service (quasi-military subcontractor). It has been expeditious process of the district courts of the United States ever since - USP Service of process. If process is handled through the mail, it cures to judgment if not properly served back upon the presenter Refusal for Cause timely. Simple as that - Notice and Grace in the common law.

Why would the IRS agents hobble themselves with non-law found in Title 26? Especially when everybody is running around thinking that Title 26 has force of law except anybody smart enough to look at the table in the front cover (attorneys)? attached...



Regards,

David Merrill.

[cz3000]

ok. thanks.

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

CZ, that is some old research of mine and I don't go that route anymore

The 28 USC stuff has a caveat in the CFR I believe where it says that it does not apply to income taxes

[PANICPASS]

The attorneys likely waited a grace period for the issuance of Refusal for Cause or some other release of lien before they began garnishment. [Maybe not, but if they were smart they waited 30 days.]

Actually The garnishment was automatic. I was actually the first to get it as I opened the mail. I wanted not to give it to them but since it wasn't addressed to me, I had to give it to them. I gave it to the office manager and she showed it to the attorneys. They said nothing about it until I brought them a letter Thurston Bell had written for me. It cited the O'Dell case. It made no difference. My pay was garnished on two occasions in one month.

I met with the IRS agent and he had nothing to say. He sat in front of me with another IRS agent and didn't say anything the entire time.

The Notice of Lien was fairly old. It was at least six month old when they received a copy from the IRS agent.