
09-12-2006, 01:48 PM
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"You have definitely fallen for EM's sensationalism."
There you go again, assuming. Have you read the book? If not, then you are assuming that what EM writes is nothing more than "sensationalism."
But better yet, since you have it in mind, tell me some details about that Wilson quote.
All I know about the Wilson quote is that it is on the back cover of the Money Masters DVD.
The exact quote is as follows:
I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are int he hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world-- no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.
I do not know where they got the quote from, but that is what the back cover of MM quoted Wilson as saying.
He never said he regretted it or indicated that it destroyed America.
How do you know for a fact he never said he regretted it or indicated that it destroyed America?
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09-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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The book's title is actually The Secrets of the Federal Reserve, not the Federal Reserve System.
The original book was published under the title Mullins, On The Federal Reserve
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09-12-2006, 05:01 PM
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I researched for that quote about four months back. There was a myth that Congress met in secret to pass the Federal Reserve Act and that quotation would have been important in evidence.
Now there is rumor that Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. spoke venomously against the Federal Reserve and I am working on getting that authenticated. I am working with a fellow at Red Ice for details about the exact day these quotations were supposedly spoken. http://www.red-ice.net/specialreport...manifesto.html
Specifically when the Congressman was supposed to have warned Congress specifically about the Bankers' Manifesto:
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Heaven and Hello...Dear David Merrill,
I cant find any date or even a year referring to the Lindberg "warning". like you I end up whit the 1907 -1917 run around...I will keep looking.
Found some Quotes of interest, (1913 looks promising)
"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." -- Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913
"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board asministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923
keep in touch, and if you find anything you want to share please do.
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I am willing to believe that Woodrow Wilson said that, when I see it. Otherwise I call it sensationalism, to grab rumors like that and run with them. You have not attached the quote to Eustace Mullins but I seem to recall the Jekyl Island rumors came out of that camp - albeit the secret legislation rumor seems to have been spun off of EM's sensationalism.
I am not making assumptions, I am avoiding them. If you can come up with any kind of specifics or date for that quotation, great! I had it down to the book it was allegedly found in about Wilson's personal letters. I checked it out and only found things quite to the opposite.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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09-12-2006, 05:55 PM
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A google search for the source of the Wilson quote came up with this:
"Actually, the source is alleged to be Page 31 of a document titled "Repeal the Federal Reserve Banks" by Casimir Frank Gierut. Being unable to find an online copy of this document, I cannot say for sure what Casimir's source is. The year is either 1916, 1919, or 1923, depending on who you ask...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Federal_Reserve copyright
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09-12-2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PANICPASS
A google search for the source of the Wilson quote came up with this:
"Actually, the source is alleged to be Page 31 of a document titled "Repeal the Federal Reserve Banks" by Casimir Frank Gierut. Being unable to find an online copy of this document, I cannot say for sure what Casimir's source is. The year is either 1916, 1919, or 1923, depending on who you ask...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Federal_Reserve copyright
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The reason I included the index of the two foremost credited Wilson books is so you will find that regardless of the year, if Woodrow Wilson would have said that, it would have been topically included in the compilation. Since it is not there I will not trouble finding hearsay, especially if that historian was not specific.
I am quite willing to get into this again at the repository and especially in those books already available. I think my previous research is:
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/banks-...e-secrets.html
For now I am simply making the point about sensationalism. Somebody probably made that up about Wilson and through sensationalism, and I have read some of Mullins' work and knew his cousin very well. We spoke about his work quite often. He is quite well known for sensationalism. The example of that is here in this thread. You say the Fed is secretive and I beg that you might simply subscribe to the Governors' Bulletins to see otherwise.
The only thing legal or constitutional about the Federal Reserve Act is that we have always had an option to public money. Federal Reserve Notes are for all debts (paying none) PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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09-12-2006, 06:48 PM
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I don't perceive anything sensational about Mullins writing. Check your brain for the sensationalism. Perception is the mirror of your own mind.
No comment on the Wilson quote. I do some research on it.
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01-22-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cz3000
Does anyone know if an IRS Lien / NOFTL is required PRIOR to the issuance of an IRS "Notice of Levy"
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what are the preocedural requirements in order that the IRS may legally Levy?
thx
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No. Notice of Levy is before the fact. The IRS is looking for a response at that point.
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