Responding to a post by taking it out of context by not responding point by point in order presented may well amount to deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of the original post.
Distortion and misrepresentation are tools of propagandists.
As I said, a real bankruptcy requires a filing in court. Nobody has yet pointed to the court and docket number of the federal govt's petition in bankruptcy.
Shoonra;
The bankruptcy occurred under emergency and war powers. So quit it already making up rules about proof.
In other words Traficant must prove he can use Chapter 11 technically by showing the Bretton Woods Agreements or proving out the emergency actions he speaks of in his alleged comments before he can imply the national debt stems from bankruptcy proceedings...
Last edited by David Merrill : 11-10-2006 at 06:24 AM.
I abbreviated the beginning and the 4:55 Minute Mark (audio file attached) together to make a point about Shoonra. Her definitions of bankruptcy are about as stable as Chairman Bernanke's definitions of money. In fact the Federal Reserve Act was for the purpose of supplying a flexible money supply...
Last edited by David Merrill : 11-10-2006 at 07:33 AM.
Doing some research on this topic and came across the following information. This may have been posted already, but thought I would share it anyway, so feel free to delete if needed.
The Parallel Table of Rules and Authorities is published as an index to each edition of the Code of Federal Regulations. It shows where each law, agency, statute, etc gets its authority from (in simple terms) It can be found online and downloaded for free.
In many letters received from the IRS over the years, 7201 (Attempt to evade or defeat a tax) and 6331 (Levy & Distraint) are listed to scare 'tax protestors' into paying, possibly...?? Well some quick research will reveal that there is no authority listed for 7201 and the authority for 6331 comes from Part 70 of Title 27, which is ATF essentially. (Ironic how those are right next to each other) Part 70 mentions in one location the filing of tax forms and refers back to Chapter 32 and 51-53 of Title 26. Chapter 32, strangely enough is Manufacturer's Excise Taxes and 51-53 all pertain to Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms...WOW! what a surprise...
Several other sections of importance are 7621 (Internal Revenue Districts) and 7801-7803 which relate to the authority of the Secretary (of the Treasury Dept of Puerto Rico), its Oversight Board and the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. None of these sections are listed anywhere in the Table.
Since I have known for many years that the 'income' tax is an excise tax and only applies to a limited group of people and activities this all just fits right in. For those of you who didnt know, maybe this will shed some light on a few things for you.
Thom
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Doing some research on this topic and came across the following information. This may have been posted already, but thought I would share it anyway, so feel free to delete if needed.
The Parallel Table of Rules and Authorities is published as an index to each edition of the Code of Federal Regulations. It shows where each law, agency, statute, etc gets its authority from (in simple terms) It can be found online and downloaded for free.
In many letters received from the IRS over the years, 7201 (Attempt to evade or defeat a tax) and 6331 (Levy & Distraint) are listed to scare 'tax protestors' into paying, possibly...?? Well some quick research will reveal that there is no authority listed for 7201 and the authority for 6331 comes from Part 70 of Title 27, which is ATF essentially. (Ironic how those are right next to each other) Part 70 mentions in one location the filing of tax forms and refers back to Chapter 32 and 51-53 of Title 26. Chapter 32, strangely enough is Manufacturer's Excise Taxes and 51-53 all pertain to Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms...WOW! what a surprise...
Several other sections of importance are 7621 (Internal Revenue Districts) and 7801-7803 which relate to the authority of the Secretary (of the Treasury Dept of Puerto Rico), its Oversight Board and the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. None of these sections are listed anywhere in the Table.
Since I have known for many years that the 'income' tax is an excise tax and only applies to a limited group of people and activities this all just fits right in. For those of you who didnt know, maybe this will shed some light on a few things for you.
Thom
Thank you Thom. I probably included this already...
But if not I can get the sections you mention and add them.
The Parallel Table of Rules and Authorities is published as an index to each edition of the Code of Federal Regulations. It shows where each law, agency, statute, etc gets its authority from (in simple terms) It can be found online and downloaded for free. ....... some quick research will reveal that there is no authority listed for [26 CFR] 7201 and the authority for 6331 comes from Part 70 of Title 27, which is ATF essentially. ..... None of these sections are listed anywhere in the Table.
I thought I had commented on this many months ago. The CFR's parallel table of authorities is a convenience to readers and not dispositive of all the statutory authority for all the regs.
More important: With reference to Title 26 (the IRS regs), until the 1960s the CFR reprinted the entire text of title 26 of the US Code (the tax laws) with each section of the USC followed by the relevant regs. When this was being done, there were no authority lines in 26 CFR because the underlying statutory provision was right there on the same page and the whole thing was numbered the same way as in 26 USC.
When the CFR ceased reprinting 26 USC in 26 CFR and just carried the regs, it kept the original numbering system but didn't bother to work up the authority lines (and the authority lines were the source of the CFR parallel tables). The section numbers in 26 CFR link up very obviously to the corresponding laws in 26 USC.
Courts have already heard this argument from tax scofflaws about the lack of authority lines in 26 CFR and rejected it.
A couple of sentences in the message makes me think that you have it in the wrong direction. 27 CFR deals with the BATF but 27 USC is an ancient relic from Prohibition, containing the laws relating only to liquor. The regs in CFR must be authorized by a statute (not necessarily one codified in USC, and not necessarily one mentioned in the authority line), not the statutes being authorized by a regulation.
As a newb on this board, I will attempt to be polite to you. First of all I have been researching tax laws, statutes, codes, cases, decisions, etc for about 10 years and am very comfortable in saying that the income tax is grossly mis-applied and doesnt apply to 90% of the people in this country.
Unless I am mistaken, the regs are the official interpretation of the statutes and both parts (Stats and regs) of CFR/USC 27 pertain to AT&F. Unless laws, codes, statutes, cases, etc have been overturned or overwritten, it matters not that they are relics left over from prohibition, they are still valid. Many of the documents that I have researched have been updated within the last few months from GPO or the like. I would trust that these docs, along with what I found in a large university law library are at least somewhat accurate.
I am not a scofflaw of any sort and resent your comment. I doubt seriously that any authority exist on behalf of the IRS to collect taxes from me and they just 'didnt bother' to include that authority in the new tables when they were re-written.
The end result is that I have not given the IRS one red cent in over ten years and never will again as long as I am breathing and there is nothing they can do about. I have already had 4 cases dismissed from US Tax Court in DC for lack of jurisdiction over my 'income'.
Please go bother someone else...
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Last edited by ThomPaine : 11-12-2006 at 03:39 PM.
I abbreviated the beginning and the 4:55 Minute Mark (audio file attached) together to make a point about Shoonra. Her definitions of bankruptcy are about as stable as Chairman Bernanke's definitions of money. In fact the Federal Reserve Act was for the purpose of supplying a flexible money supply...
IMF Secretary of the Treasury readily admits US is a bankrupt corporation.
