Not free to travel after January 14?

[manros]

I am new in this group and not too familiar with most things.

It looks Americans might not be able to leave the country without an exit permit. They will also need a visa to go back home.

I would like to know a way to stay on top of these new regulations.

The following link will explain this issue better. I would like your comments or take on it.

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf

[mikah2k]

"Stay on top of these regulations" means "putting these regulations under your feet".

I think a great way is create a contract/agreement/treaty with the party that would make and/or enforce these regulations such that you preemptively overcome, and be not subject to, these regulations.
Create your treaty. Record treaty with county recorder. Serve certified copies on all parties (or their agents "notice to agent is notice to principal") giving enough time (3 days) to respond. Record doc agreeing with adversary parties' consent by silence, and serve certified copies on all parties.

[manros]

Thanks for your prompt repply, Mikah2k. You are suggesting to take the lead in the "contract" before they hit us with it. That is really smart. Can you ellaborate a little more on this?

Keep in mind this is not only an individual concern. This issue should be closely observed and people should be ready to be proactive and agressive, as you suggest. I like your approach.

I am really upset with this. It is even worst (IF possible), than the future National IDd to be imposed later. It seems to me they want to prevent any possible rejection to this from US, the people, with this menace.

Who can revolt in the big giant jail they have in mind for us all?

Originally Posted by mikah2k

"Stay on top of these regulations" means "putting these regulations under your feet".

I think a great way is create a contract/agreement/treaty with the party that would make and/or enforce these regulations such that you preemptively overcome, and be not subject to, these regulations.
Create your treaty. Record treaty with county recorder. Serve certified copies on all parties (or their agents "notice to agent is notice to principal") giving enough time (3 days) to respond. Record doc agreeing with adversary parties' consent by silence, and serve certified copies on all parties.

[mikah2k]

Originally Posted by manros

Thanks for your prompt repply, Mikah2k. You are suggesting to take the lead in the "contract" before they hit us with it. That is really smart. Can you ellaborate a little more on this?

Keep in mind this is not only an individual concern. This issue should be closely observed and people should be ready to be proactive and agressive, as you suggest. I like your approach.

I am really upset with this. It is even worst (IF possible), than the future National IDd to be imposed later. It seems to me they want to prevent any possible rejection to this from US, the people, with this menace.

Who can revolt in the big giant jail they have in mind for us all?

Elaboration is labor.
See a thread I made just for you.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by manros

I am new in this group and not too familiar with most things.

It looks Americans might not be able to leave the country without an exit permit. They will also need a visa to go back home.

You are wrong, this only can apply as priate law to United States Citizens

U.S. Citizens are not Americans

Originally Posted by manros

I would like to know a way to stay on top of these new regulations.

That is tantamount to a slave asking massa to change the laws of the plantation

The only way to do this is cancel fraudulent U.S. Citizenship pursuant to the 14th Amendment and claim State Nationality

or you can focus on the many side issues like income taxes and credit card debt and ignore what i'm posting

[mikah2k]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

You are wrong, this only can apply as priate law to United States Citizens

U.S. Citizens are not Americans


That is tantamount to a slave asking massa to change the laws of the plantation

The only way to do this is cancel fraudulent U.S. Citizenship pursuant to the 14th Amendment and claim State Nationality

or you can focus on the many side issues like income taxes and credit card debt and ignore what i'm posting

Weis,
If Truename never pledged allegiance as a U.S. citizen, then no cancellation is necessary for Truename.

If we want to live as Legalname, then I think cancellation is appropriate.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by mikah2k

Weis,
If Truename never pledged allegiance as a U.S. citizen, then no cancellation is necessary for Truename.

If we want to live as Legalname, then I think cancellation is appropriate.

That's a good outlook in theory, but not really in application

There is a rebuttable presumption created which puts the burden on you to overcome and not for them to prove

Such presumption being rebutted with satisfactory records which established your status PRIOR to the action at hand AND which contain the substantive and procedural law facts which MUST be addressed

You can say "I am the mixed case living soul and the ALL CAPS fiction is presumed to be the U.S. Citizen"

However that doesn't fly, because the All Caps is really a presumption that that is a flesh and blood man part of the Defacto 14th Amendment body politic corporate and not part of the DeJure Body politic government

Originally Posted by Bouvier's 1856

BODY POLITIC, government, corporations. When applied to the government this phrase signifies the state.
2. As to the persons who compose the body politic, they take collectively the name, of people, or nation; and individually they are citizens, when considered in relation to their political rights, and subjects as being submitted to the laws of the state.
3. When it refers to corporations, the term body politic means that the members of such corporations shall be considered as an artificial person

So the strawman is still presumed BY THEM to be flesh and blood, yet part of a fictitious corporation.

Can you hear the Beatle's tune ringing in your head?

"I am the strawman, coo, coo, ca choo, " ?

What evidence can you provide right now which can rebut this presumption?

What laws and international law concepts can you demonstrate which has been violated, but you wish to exercise?

The name game is not something worth betting the farm on, that's for sure

I walk in to proceedings as me and ask them to show me that they are a legitimate government who can impose a duty on me rather than the defacto corporation

They didn't wish to do so the last time

[mikah2k]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

That's a good outlook in theory, but not really in application

There is a rebuttable presumption created which puts the burden on you to overcome and not for them to prove

Such presumption being rebutted with satisfactory records which established your status PRIOR to the action at hand AND which contain the substantive and procedural law facts which MUST be addressed

You can say "I am the mixed case living soul and the ALL CAPS fiction is presumed to be the U.S. Citizen"

However that doesn't fly, because the All Caps is really a presumption that that is a flesh and blood man part of the Defacto 14th Amendment body politic corporate and not part of the DeJure Body politic government



So the strawman is still presumed BY THEM to be flesh and blood, yet part of a fictitious corporation.

Can you hear the Beatle's tune ringing in your head?

"I am the strawman, coo, coo, ca choo, " ?

What evidence can you provide right now which can rebut this presumption?

What laws and international law concepts can you demonstrate which has been violated, but you wish to exercise?

The name game is not something worth betting the farm on, that's for sure

I walk in to proceedings as me and ask them to show me that they are a legitimate government who can impose a duty on me rather than the defacto corporation

They didn't wish to do so the last time

Weis,
In re "What evidence ... right now": typically DBA from SOS.

In re "What law...exercise":
Q1 violated by whom?
Q2 why is demonstrating any such thing important?

In re "I walk..defacto corporation":
Q3 In general, when you ask "them to show [you] that they are a legitimate government ...", what duty/obligation has the defacto to answer you truthfully, responsively, and timely?
Q4 Why ask them to show you they are legitimate?

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mikah2k

Weis,
In re "What evidence ... right now": typically DBA from SOS.

In re "What law...exercise":
Q1 violated by whom?
Q2 why is demonstrating any such thing important?

In re "I walk..defacto corporation":
Q3 In general, when you ask "them to show [you] that they are a legitimate government ...", what duty/obligation has the defacto to answer you truthfully, responsively, and timely?
Q4 Why ask them to show you they are legitimate?

morning folks.

My mommy, her husband and my Granma lives in Florida and it's been a few years since I've seen them; especually after the hurricane that took down my mother's home.

In the last few weeks my granma has said that I should visit for a few days soon. the last time I went to visit them, I took a bus. it was a long day and a half travel.

And since then I've learned much from Suijuris and you volks so I'm contemplating taking a plane.

My previous two trips via plane were a PITA. The manager who ran the local operation tried to keep me from boarding but since i'm a danger to no one, he had to repent. BUT, I have had to endure "examinations".

Now that I know more I'm able to articulate WHY they cant examine me. I'll just go with the clothes on my back; maybe i'd dress up for the trip?

NO Secret law or rule can apply to me. Surely the DHS rules are NOT publically known!

NO act of legislature applies to non-govt property or folks.

well, y'all have read it before from my posts.

[weishaupt1776]

It's all well and good, but you want these people to be scared of losing their equity the next time they kidnap you or steal your property.

You want these people to know who you are. The identiity thing can only be accomplished when there are a considerable number of us united. The only cause I have found to where we can be unified is when we can demonstrate that we are lawful state nationals with such being our identity

As long as there are a number of us fish swimming around in different directions, the Nazi's will always be happy

How can a group of people approach the Feds and tell them to recognize who we are if we don't have an identity in the first place?

How is a group of people who have a perfected UCC FS w/ SA going to demonstarte any kind of identity which would be the basis of approaching, as an identified group; these powerful insurgent entities?

I can prove that there are really 2 Constitutions operating. One (state/fed) applies to those who retain lawful nationality and another to those in the defacto jurisdiction.

I can prove that my jurisdiction falls under the Dejure Constitution and the nearly 40 agencies' acquiescence has established an agreement under premise of Title 28 USC section 1605(a)(1), hence, causing the State of Florida and its political subdivisions to waive immunity in all matters that may pertain to me and a quasi-contract has been established that may not mandate me to exhaust state remedies in future matters

This includes me being able to prosecute an action as a private atty gen acting on behalf of the free, dejure people of Florida who possess lawful nationality.

The UCC FS has not the substance upon which to base how one possesses lawful nationality and how one is under the original dejure constitution of their state

Sure, I believe that there are remedies in commerce, etc . . ; but the UCC is ineffective in getting a lawful body politic.

A lawful body politic is accomplished by repopulating the American Republics w/ dejure Nationals, with sole purpose being that IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO !

and not for any other purpose !

The expatriation/nationality correction process should in no way be intended to be a "I'm not in your jurisdiction, dude " kinda thing

I can prove a conspiracy against the rights of an alien to the US under 18 USC 241/242, further, there are all kinds of constitutional violations for me to really go after their equity

All I can say is good luck to those who think that a UCC FS with a security agreement is good enough to overwhelm the high level fraud of your birthright being stolen from you (your state nationality)

There are alot more laws operating than the Law of Commerce and admiralty

Equity is still going on, common law is still going on,