DL Without SS Number

[ezrhythm]

For those of you interested in obtaining a DL without having to submit a SS number, I ran across this;

Taken from;
http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/OIS/NewStud/ssndl/dlc.html

"You may apply for a California Driver's License at the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). You must first obtain a Social Security number. If you are unable to obtain a social security number, you will need to obtain a "denial notice" (refusal letter, 676-SSAL) from the Social Security Administration, then return to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) so that you may continue with your original request for a driver's license. After you have passed the written test, you will have to show your social security number (or denial notice) and then, after passing the driving test, you will be given an interim driver's license valid for 90 days."

And then they have this to say;

"International Driving Permits (IDP)
Despite common misconceptions, the State of California does not recognize an International Driving Permit (IDP) as a valid driver license. Therefore, getting an IDP is a waste of time and money. California does recognize a valid driver license that is issued by a foreign jurisdiction (country, state, territory) of which the license holder is a resident.

The IDP is only a translation of information contained on a person's foreign driver license and is not required to operate a motor vehicle in California. Citations issued to a person in California who has an IDP, but does not have a California driver license will be placed on the Department of Motor Vehicle database.

Most international students receive temporary paper driver's licenses until the DMV receives a copy of your I-20 from the Department of Homeland Security. Unfortunately, some students experience extremely long delays in receiving their permanent driver's license. Some students graduate before ever getting their permanent driver's license."

[charlesa6]

Good job. Thanks for the info.

[rentiap]

Becha can't find a way to get a license without a birth certificate.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by rentiap

Becha can't find a way to get a license without a birth certificate.

Without Prejudice.
Oh there are ways.

[charlesa6]

Sure, you can get a license without a birth certificate.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by charlesa6

Sure, you can get a license without a birth certificate.

True in theory. Not in practice. The staffers at the Department of Revenue are simply verbally trained and they reject legal advice like yours, Charles.

(3) (a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), on and after October 1, 2000, an application for a driver's or minor driver's license shall include the applicant's social security number, which shall remain confidential and shall not be placed on the applicant's driver's or minor driver's license unless such applicant has waived such confidentiality; except that such confidentiality shall not extend to the state child support enforcement agency, the department, or a court of competent jurisdiction when requesting information in the course of activities authorized under article 13 of title 26, C.R.S.,or article 14 of title 14, C.R.S. If the applicant does not have a social security number, the applicant shall submit a sworn statement, together with the application, stating that the applicant does not have a social security number. The license issued as a result of said application may, at the applicant's option, contain an identification number, which shall be the applicant's social security number.

I am enjoying the legislation put forth in the post above. The general assembly there seems to think that one has a duty to go out and try to get a SSN if they want a driver license. That is inferred by requiring a rejection letter from the SSA. Attorneys are a queer bunch, huh Judge Roy Bean?



Regards,

David Merrill.

[charlesa6]

[quote=David Merrill]

True in theory. Not in practice. The staffers at the Department of Revenue are simply verbally trained and they reject legal advice like yours, Charles.

There is always be a way to get thing done regardless of obstacles, if you no how. My theory and practice stand corrected. I been there done that many times. Tell me something I don’t know.

[David Merrill]

[quote=charlesa6]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

There is always be a way to get thing done regardless of obstacles, if you no how. My theory and practice stand corrected. I been there done that many times. Tell me something I don’t know.

I agree. Somebody went in recently and showed the staff the statutes; he was told he needed a birth certificate regardless of what the statutes said.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

I agree. Somebody went in recently and showed the staff the statutes; he was told he needed a birth certificate regardless of what the statutes said.

Without Prejudice.
From what I've gathered, its best when having a problem to communicate via the mail with the DMV's headquarters rather than the offices which may only be "private agencies" fronting as "Official" DMV offices.

And yes it is very possible to get a DL w/o an SSN without much ado if you know your stuff but writing the DMV and/or SoS will probably be what gets it--not talking to DMV agency offices.

[SaveUncleSam]

I have come to the conclusion that they need a birth certificate not to make sure you are who you say you are but rather to but the DL name in that of the strawman name.

This is why there was such a "scandal" years back with individuals going to city hall, receiving copies of other people's birth certificates and getting DLs in those names. People were falsely led to believe that this was a safe method of establishing identity.
The DMVs accept the copies without question because they are not as concerned with the identity of the individual as they are with the STRAWMAN name.

Your thoughts?