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Old 05-26-2007, 03:27 PM
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I could notice that the cancellation takes effect immediately upon presentment to any of their agents. I could send the DMV the notice at renewal time and show any officer the copy.

I already and always sign the renewal of registration by reserving my rights and they always send the sticker of renewal. I could show the officer a copy of the renewal form with my reservatrion of rights on it, that I sent in. I think one time I sent it certified mail.

I believe that, all rights reserved on the renewal of registration means the originial application of registration can't be used against me in any court action. They have no evidence my car is a motor vehicle, Correct?
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Old 05-26-2007, 04:45 PM
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It appears that you want to be able to straddle the fence in regard to jurisdiction. This is not possible. You are in one or the other and whichever that may be those laws will apply.

The moment you voluntarily registered your vehicle it became a motor vehicle subject to the jurisdiction of the vehicle code. Whatever the verbiage of your cancellation notice, it cannot take effect until the transaction is complete.

Similarly, reserving your rights on the renewal form is meaningless in their jurisdiction. All this does is reserve the rights that the jurisdiction grants. They will allow you to do this all day long as you have gained no additional rights. You are subject to the vehicle code until your registration cancellation has been finalized.

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Old 05-26-2007, 06:49 PM
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It appears that you want to be able to straddle the fence in regard to jurisdiction. This is not possible. You are in one or the other and whichever that may be those laws will apply.

The moment you voluntarily registered your vehicle it became a motor vehicle subject to the jurisdiction of the vehicle code. Whatever the verbiage of your cancellation notice, it cannot take effect until the transaction is complete.

Similarly, reserving your rights on the renewal form is meaningless in their jurisdiction. All this does is reserve the rights that the jurisdiction grants. They will allow you to do this all day long as you have gained no additional rights. You are subject to the vehicle code until your registration cancellation has been finalized.

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Maybe I should Notice the DMV that if they voluntarily accept the renewal of registration of my car (it's my car) they agree to my Right to cancel at any time and the cancellation is final at that time. It's voluntary on their part too, Right? I mean they don't have to renew my registration, Do they?

Maybe I can tell the magistrate or the policeman they won't renew my registration, I tried !

Jurisdiction is always Multi-Jurisdictional

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To him consenting no injury is done.
He who consents cannot receive an injury.
Consent removes or obviates a mistake.
One who wills a thing to be or to be done cannot complain of that thing as an injury.
The agreement of the parties overcomes or prevails against the law.
He who approves cannot reject.
Agreement takes the place of the law: the express understanding of parties supersedes such understanding as the law would imply.
Manner and agreement overrule the law.
Certain legal consequences are attached to the voluntary act of a person / corporation.
It is immaterial whether a person / corporation gives assent by words or by acts and deeds.
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Old 05-26-2007, 06:59 PM
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I quoted plenty of court cases on this vexatious topic in a multitude of threads, including on this thread. You guys have yet to point to an actual court decision - or statute - holding that a DL is not required. My unwillingness to type out a list of cases everytime some twit wants to replow this field is not a concession of any kind.

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Old 05-26-2007, 07:17 PM
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I quoted plenty of court cases on this vexatious topic in a multitude of threads, including on this thread. You guys have yet to point to an actual court decision holding that a DL is not required.

There is no court case if the DMV agrees to my conditions in my notice of renewal of registration or license.
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:47 PM
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jurisdiction?

this is a quote from the south carolina code;

title 56 sec 1:

22) "Person" means every natural person, firm, partnership, trust, company, firm, association, or corporation. Where the term "person" is used in connection with the registration of a motor vehicle, it includes any corporation, association, partnership, trust, company, firm, or other aggregation of individuals which owns or controls the motor vehicle as actual owner, or for the purpose of sale or for renting, as agent, salesperson, or otherwise.


different types of persons? i think so. if questioned if the person driving is the same as the one on the registration, which appears to be legal entities only, its bound to confuse the average man.

I'm still having a bit of trouble with the "natural person" thing. under the legal construction rules, if i understand them, natural person should be a legal entity as well, because of the association with the other terms used. maybe someone could clarify better than I.

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