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Old 04-25-2007, 08:54 PM
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The GOAL is not to go to court. It is to stay out of any courts jurisdiction.

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Old 04-25-2007, 09:04 PM
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The GOAL is not to go to court. It is to stay out of any courts jurisdictionl.

thanks for your opinions

That is great. You are going to need to know statutory construction and how to read case law however if you are going to know what the requirements of Subject Matter Jurisdiction are.

There is absolutely nothing you can cary with you that is going to do what you hope it will.

The only way to end **** in the side of the road is to have a flag placed in your record usually a 10-33 or 10-30 tag. Or it might appear on the face of your license.

That is the only sure fire way. I had one on me and may still, for the muni-cops in my town. A cop radioed my name in, a ten code came back and he talked into his quited radio for a little bit and informed me and ,y friend that we were not getting tickets for loitering after all and said we would continue not to get one even if we remained all night.

That was great to know. My friend Thomas has it printed right on his license. That kicks ass. I highly recomend you visit his website.
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:11 PM
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OK. My point is you cannot use 300 year old common law for situations that have been completely covered by modern statutory law.

Agian your thing is showing that in all CRIMINAL prosecutions however an administrative infraction is not criminal.

Infractions are extra-constitutional, and therefore unconstitutional. Powers not granted by the people to the legislators
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
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Infractions are extra-constitutional, and therefore unconstitutional. Powers not granted by the people to the legislators

Why do you keep making up terms?

Extra-constitutional? What is that supposed to mean. I am guessing it mean something different from unconstitutional... I am having a hard time knowing what "without the constituion" means when I read "extra"-constituional...

Damn you sound like a judge trying to make a name for himself by introducing a new word to desribe an old topic.

Now why do you think that infractions are "extra-constituional"?

What elements constitute an infraction?

What is an offense?

What is a public offense?

What is a crime?

What is court?

What is a tribunal?

What is an agency?

What is a court sitting as agency?

When does a court sit as agency?

What is nisi-pruit court?

What is an administrative act?

Are administrative acts constitutional? Why?


You need to know this stuff before you can approach the subjects you are trying to understand.
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:19 PM
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You started out talking about adminstrative law right? That is color of law or fictions like the strawman and lack of corpus delecti. What does truth or maxims of law have to do with fictions at law or non-truth? You are either in one or the other, like oil and water they don't mix. I agree maxims of law are law, just like the Commandments are maxims of law, but they are not recognized in the Roman civil law courts which only deal in fiction of law. Fiction of law appears to be law at first glance but it isn't, it is a counterfeit. Remember the matrix? The choice was blue pill or red pill, there was no pink pill. You got Ying and Yang, good and evil, God and Satan. There is no third party that is a combination of both. Adminstrative law and maxims of law are polar opposites.

You might find this interesting. There are 7 parts.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...tution &hl=en

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Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1856 definition of MAXIM. An established principle or proposition. A principle of law universally admitted, as being just and consonant With reason. also a general truth, fundamental principle, or rule of conduct
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:32 PM
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You started out talking about adminstrative law right? That is color of law or fictions like the strawman and lack of corpus delecti.

I believe you to be wrong rott. I feel that administrative law is law the regulates an activity PROPERLY regulated by the state and eforcable on those who engage in such activity. I feel that as long as it is applied to those it supposed to the administrative law will survive any attack on constitutional grounds provided that the agency is itself constitutional (such as the state bar) and that the laws do not impinge upon unalienable rights.

What is color of law is when they obfuscate everything to muchk it up and pretend that the unengaged individual is subject to the admin. law.

Take Sandman. The obfuscation occured in his court when the judge told him point blank the action against him was criminal like murder durring his arraignment. In his trial the judge says "no, it is not criminal." This is color of law. They are pretending law so as to mask to administrative aspect of it all.

The law is good because it applies to only certain classes.

Are you in that class... In most cases administrative law must be promulgated with rules in the "code of regulations."

Anyway... I would try really hard to understand this stuff without using Roger Elvick Straw man language and "fiction" and crap. It is not used that often in actual law yet the concepts ARE explained well without them and if you grow used to using those words you are only alienating yourself form the judge who speaks a different language.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:02 PM
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I did not say the territorial administrative courts were prohibited from regulating other fictions but I wanted to point out that those same administrative courts are not courts of law. They concern themselves strictly with witchcraft like fiat currency and corporations.


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I believe you to be wrong rott. I feel that administrative law is law the regulates an activity PROPERLY regulated by the state and eforcable on those who engage in such activity. I feel that as long as it is applied to those it supposed to the administrative law will survive any attack on constitutional grounds provided that the agency is itself constitutional (such as the state bar) and that the laws do not impinge upon unalienable rights.

What is color of law is when they obfuscate everything to muchk it up and pretend that the unengaged individual is subject to the admin. law.

Take Sandman. The obfuscation occured in his court when the judge told him point blank the action against him was criminal like murder durring his arraignment. In his trial the judge says "no, it is not criminal." This is color of law. They are pretending law so as to mask to administrative aspect of it all.

The law is good because it applies to only certain classes.

Are you in that class... In most cases administrative law must be promulgated with rules in the "code of regulations."

Anyway... I would try really hard to understand this stuff without using Roger Elvick Straw man language and "fiction" and crap. It is not used that often in actual law yet the concepts ARE explained well without them and if you grow used to using those words you are only alienating yourself form the judge who speaks a different language.

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Old 04-25-2007, 10:36 PM
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Why do you keep making up terms?

Extra-constitutional? What is that supposed to mean. I am guessing it mean something different from unconstitutional... I am having a hard time knowing what "without the constituion" means when I read "extra"-constituional...

Damn you sound like a judge trying to make a name for himself by introducing a new word to desribe an old topic.

Now why do you think that infractions are "extra-constituional"?

What elements constitute an infraction?

What is an offense?

What is a public offense?

What is a crime?

What is court?

What is a tribunal?

What is an agency?

What is a court sitting as agency?

When does a court sit as agency?

What is nisi-pruit court?

What is an administrative act?

Are administrative acts constitutional? Why?


You need to know this stuff before you can approach the subjects you are trying to understand.

I know what fiction means: Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse and THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
How am I doing so far?

This is fun I am enjoying this thread !!!
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"That was great to know. My friend Thomas has it printed right on his license. That kicks ass. I highly recomend you visit his website."

Link Please!!!!
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"That was great to know. My friend Thomas has it printed right on his license. That kicks ass. I highly recomend you visit his website."

Link Please!!!!

http://www.geocities.com/tthor.geo/mywork.html
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